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I fully agree. Today’s cars have a lot of safety/driver aids that compensate for lack of ability of the driver. The driver doesn’t realise that they still have to DRIVE the car. They get into situations they think the car will sort out for them.
I like the retro driving feel of my Morgan but would like ABS for added assurance. It is easy to lock the front wheels and getting a true feel for braking has to be learned. OK you can read the road to prevent hard braking but can get caught out by other motorists. How many have heard of cadence braking? How many have tried learning it? How many times have you felt your ABS kick in when braking?
The same applies to other things on any car. Steering feel, engine response, quality of tyres to name a few.
I remember a few firsts.
Disc brakes...WOW!
Power steering.....WOW!
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It is frustrating that Morgan were not to able to engineer the transfer of the excellent BMW traction control/stability control system that they use with the same engine and drivetrain.
BMW use it in the M140i and Toyota use it in the new Supra.
The system is outstanding. Subtle but works brilliantly.
Driving my M140i, especially on damp or wet UK roads, the TC light often illuminated if you were pushing on, and that's in a car with a much higher curb weight and heavier rear end.
I recall my test drive on the Plus Six... in 'manual' mode on wet/damp roads, it was easy to break traction even with sympathetic throttle application knowing the potential to to so. I would imagine a 'kick down' in 'Auto' would seriously surprise the unwary.
I totally agree that a 'driver training session' on track should be included with any Plus Six purchase... surely this would also be in the interests of MMC to ensure the car does not get a 'reputation' that could impinge on sales.
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Besides the cost of all these tools and their programming, there may be a trivial reason why they are not on board the Plus Six. No space. When I look at how tightly packed everything is under the hood, I would hardly know where to put these extra units.
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It is frustrating that Morgan were not to able to engineer the transfer of the excellent BMW traction control/stability control system that they use with the same engine and drivetrain.
BMW use it in the M140i and Toyota use it in the new Supra.
The system is outstanding. Subtle but works brilliantly.
Driving my M140i, especially on damp or wet UK roads, the TC light often illuminated if you were pushing on, and that's in a car with a much higher curb weight and heavier rear end.
I recall my test drive on the Plus Six... in 'manual' mode on wet/damp roads, it was easy to break traction even with sympathetic throttle application knowing the potential to to so. I would imagine a 'kick down' in 'Auto' would seriously surprise the unwary.
I totally agree that a 'driver training session' on track should be included with any Plus Six purchase... surely this would also be in the interests of MMC to ensure the car does not get a 'reputation' that could impinge on sales.
That is very interesting to read that their own car (BMW) is totally manageable for a sporting car so all the technology is there, what is your take on the difference knowing both cars, is it the weight differential or inability to put the extra tech into the Plus Six, I honestly don't know but have read enough experienced drivers reports on here to know something is amiss. Like you I worry that this car will gain a reputation like some of the rawer TVR did which is a very negative thing for all parties.
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It looks like more than one of the plus 6 cars is being broken and sold for spares on eBay. Far more parts than for other models
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I notice silverlake_automotive_recycling have a six speed auto gearbox from a Plus Six on eBay. Must be a rare pre-production version - grab yourself a bargain 
Richard
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Grab your selves a bargain lads Plus six centre console
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there's about 150 parts there - all four alloys - but only two wiper arms!
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Yes I thought it an eclectic mix. I wonder how long they took to strip it down.
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Yes I thought it an eclectic mix. I wonder how long they took to strip it down. Judging by the pictures of Louwmans demonstrator that got crashed, the wheels remove themselves..... 
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