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I was told that the reason the BMW stability/traction control system could not be used is that the software would need re-writing to work with such a light car.
So significant cost.
Same with the AEROs, the TC stuff was developed for a car that is 500kg+ more than an AERO.

I wonder how many newly released cars have no or at least some sort of stability or traction control system?

Curious how the Plus 6 'passed' EU and other countries requirements for this... I cannot help wonder what the legal challenge would be to MMC if a loss of control of a Plus Six resulted in a fatality(s)...

Does the new Plus 4, auto or manual, have any stability/TC system?

I do not think so.

The new plus 4 does not have the power of the plus 6 and does not feel so ballistic so probably does not need it. Not so much anyway

ESC stability control has been a mandatory on cars for some time.

I believe that as a low volume maker Morgan get some latitude on this ?

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road..._effects/electronic_stability_control_en

Morgan’s and complex systems are likely to end in tears like an out of control Plus 6.

Best to keep things as simple as possible - they don’t have the millions to get this sh#t to work reliably.

I would have loved an electric roof on the Aero but we all know how it would have ended up.

Different tyre options would probably help, high performance, sticky tyres are great if that’s what you like, but they can be snappy and catch you out when you’re not in the mood, I’ve been very impressed by all season tyres, I even put them on a 911 once and it transformed the car, probably far slower had I tried it on a track, but much safer on ordinary roads with variable grip conditions. Currently on my Mustang and Subaru, still easy to have fun , but far more predictable.

I am not an IT expert but I don't think that re-writing the software would be a vast expense. The code would already exist, some parameters would need to be changed for sure, but in IT terms this is not a big job. There must be something more that we are perhaps missing, the control system perhaps? Even testing can't be that expensive once it is up and running?

Agreed that money is probably at the root of the issue,

Even if by some miracle MMC were able re-write the traction control software and more importantly perform the extensive testing and approvals in house to save otherwise massive costs, I suspect they would still elect to do nothing and let nature take its course. In a fatal accident assuming driver error, better the verdict is accidental death than having the possibility of flawed safety controls being blamed.

I think the Plus Four has ABS but definitely no traction control . Dan at KH made sure we understood that before giving over the keys.