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You may be right Peter. It was why I decided the Plus six wasn't for me.
I also after driving the Plus Four wondered why I would need that power. To be honest the Roadster I have now has more character & will be probably just as fast driving safely at legal speeds.
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How much on the road testing was done to assess and set the mapping? On the systems from a few years ago ECU/ map set up started with a basic set up usually on a rolling road followed by “live” tuning from real world on the road tests. OK the systems are more complex these days with much more than just the basic tune of fuelling, advance etc being tweaked. Lambda feedback, temperature sensors for air and coolant, crank sensors......they all contribute to the ecu deciding how the engine runs. My Plus8 has two oil pressure sensors. One for the dash gauge and another to tell the ECU to shut the engine off if oil pressure drops.
With auto boxes the “map” to manage gear shifts will have a set of rules to tell it to change up or down so has that been matched to suit a light Morgan with different torque and speed requirements to the original heavier BMW cars? The requirements will be different. The same torque output would affect a light Morgan more than a heavier BMW.
Try your car out by accelerating in different gears from the same speed to gauge the response. Do it on a clear, straight stretch of road, starting in higher then down one. Don’t use high revs for a safety margin!
It is a big reason why I prefer manual gears and spending time to learn the differing response for rev/gear combinations.
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Just to add.....I love the higher torque of the Plus8 as it allows softer acceleration by coping with the needs in a higher gear. This avoids a surge of torque if you change down at the same revs. Yes you can push it if conditions allow but in the wet you can use a higher gear to limit the torque surge causing rear end twitching. I feel in more control with a manual box that I manage myself.
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My gut is telling me this will end in 'tears'...
There is something wrong with the 'legislation' here... that allows the approval of brand new design of a new car in 2019, that manages to avoid the usual regulatory restrictions with respect to 'safety', because of low build numbers! So, why have to install an 'airbag'?... is this some kind of 'selective' ability to satisfy some regulations but not others?
The most powerful Morgan ever produced is allowed to be sold, free of all the various driver aids that are fitted to the other cars that use the same drivetrain, just because the manufacturer cannot 'afford' to develop and test a suitable system... pardon? In that case, give us a car, like the Morgan's to date, that have not ended up in accidents so soon after release. Clearly, the power/drivetrain etc of the car takes the 'average' driver by surprise, a problem exacerbated by the fact that 'we' have all got used to background systems in modern cars that simply 'look after us' when the physics of the car engineering exceeds our 'abilities' as drivers to manage them...
Lotus is another 'Low volume' manufacturer who manages to develop and launch cars to the market with driver aid systems in place... so why is MMC not able to foot the bill to get this (what I would consider in 2020 fit for purpose R&D) and legislative passage to make the company 'exempt' from such requirements?...
Don't get me wrong here, I am not having a downer on the Plus Six/four etc, I am genuinely concerned about this great new product running into potentially serious issues with accidents/write off's/insurance claims/premiums etc etc that could potentially label the car as one to avoid... and that would be very sad. I think it is a tricky one to answer this, I for one would rather be able to go out and buy a car that has no driver aids (afterall that is one of the things most of us Morgan owners seem to enjoy) and therefore I am glad the legislation allows this - otherwise where do we stop? Driving is inherently dangerous, do we ban any car that isn't a huge SUV so people are safer, do we automate everything and so on and so forth. I think perhaps more emphasis needs to be made on just how much performance there is available, to ensure that people are aware but that is down to the dealers for the most part. I think a manual version would go someway to easing the issues for some, time will tell if that becomes an option! Otherwise for me its a case of respecting the vehicle and what it can do, and a bit of common sense that a light car with huge turbo power is going to demand some serious respect. 
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People can go out and buy McLarens or Lamborghinis without any special training - I'm not sure I really see the difference to be honest. I've had some very powerful cars over the years (some without any computerised driver aids), I'm still alive.  I don't think any of the dealers gave me any special warnings either.
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If you bought a Caterham HPC with the VX Vauxhall engine in the 90s you were offered a high performance driving course mandatory if under 25, although the 620r is considerably faster no requirement exists now.
I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Morgan to offer something similar, good for marketing as much for safety.
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I think it is on the price list for new purchasers, it is the test drive dummies that seem to test the airbags in many situations. I think if you have parted with money to buy it then you are likely to be a lot more careful.
Everyone loves a Morgan. Even me, unless it's broken again.
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Mr Darwin put forward a theory that worked for centuries. The theory requires a small change for man.
Nowadays, survival of the fittest has less to do with physical strength than with the use of the brain when dealing with machines.
Money is needed to buy a modern Morgan. The brain helps to keep her on the road.
Hannes
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now: Red 4/4 Sport; 2011
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IF the car gains a reputation, and IF people view it as such, then arguably it will be the one to have in the future. Everyone remembers the scary ones, Kawasaki's triple cylinder motorcycles, Porsches 911 etc etc.
People like a bad boy to show off..!
Whether they use it is neither here or there, but the fact it exists and obtainable may just make it THE one to keep hold of..
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IF the car gains a reputation, and IF people view it as such, then arguably it will be the one to have in the future. Everyone remembers the scary ones, Kawasaki's triple cylinder motorcycles, Porsches 911 etc etc.
People like a bad boy to show off..!
Whether they use it is neither here or there, but the fact it exists and obtainable may just make it THE one to keep hold of.. Especially if Morgan tame it in the future.
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