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Oh and protesting. If you're a BLM, extinction rebellion or Antifa, rules dont apply to you guys so crack on, London is open for large gathering so feel free to spread it around
Don't forget the 'so-called' statue defenders, the anti-immigration rally, and the 'Covid is all made up/David Icke' rally. They've all taken place as well
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In the end we all make choices and take risks and must accept the consequences. As said in a previous post above, we want to get the most out of the next 10 years and we are not going to let fear of a disease stop us.
Spot on. But the Government and many members of the public insist that they know better. A superficially appealing argument, but it misses one crucial point - the impact of one person's risky choices on others. If a person decides they don't wish to be constrained by restrictions like having to wear a mask when out and about, and decides they don't mind if they catch C19 as a consequence, they are also making the decision that they also don't care if they pass that infection onto anyone of whom they come within a couple of meters - and that's the problem, and that's why we have restrictions. It's all about social responsibility. Tim, I understand your argument and it would hold water if the masks were effective and worn properly. But 95% are not. We have some Chinese made masks that claim to meet this and that EU standard, but anyone can print a label. This point was demonstrated when I sneezed wearing it and it did nothing to stop the air. Proper PPE masks are expensive and need to be correctly fitted. Even so I where one when in shops because if it does little good it certainly does no harm. Second point: there is a time/distance issue. To catch COVID from an infected person there needs to be prolonged exposure at close range. 20 to 30 minutes at less than 1m, assuming you are face to face: like standing in a bar as the "youff" do. Outside and standing at right angles, with 2m spacing, the chances of getting enough virus to be infected is minimal. I have no intention of going near anyone who is not part of our bubble, Another point: someone asked about the infection of medics. That happened because they were exposed 8 to 12 hours a day, day in, day out. So they were subject to a massive viral challenge. Add to that the sad fact that many NHS staff have significant comorbidities, obesity, heart problems and type 2 diabetes. Many smoke and get very little exercise outside.
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Oh and protesting. If you're a BLM, extinction rebellion or Antifa, rules dont apply to you guys so crack on, London is open for large gathering so feel free to spread it around
Don't forget the 'so-called' statue defenders, the anti-immigration rally, and the 'Covid is all made up/David Icke' rally. They've all taken place as well Fair point. Duly noted.
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Second point: there is a time/distance issue. To catch COVID from an infected person there needs to be prolonged exposure at close range. 20 to 30 minutes at less than 1m, assuming you are face to face: like standing in a bar as the "youff" do.
Outside and standing at right angles, with 2m spacing, the chances of getting enough virus to be infected is minimal.
So this means masks are pretty pointless .. virtue signalling, desire to comply and fit in and/or just scared stupid by the Government and the many “experts” and professors of this, that and the other
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Just barreling along Talk Morgan Guru
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Second point: there is a time/distance issue. To catch COVID from an infected person there needs to be prolonged exposure at close range. 20 to 30 minutes at less than 1m, assuming you are face to face: like standing in a bar as the "youff" do.
Outside and standing at right angles, with 2m spacing, the chances of getting enough virus to be infected is minimal.
So this means masks are pretty pointless .. virtue signalling, desire to comply and fit in and/or just scared stupid by the Government and the many “experts” and professors of this, that and the other Yep, our H&S gaffa used to do face fit testing with some reagent dye, the edge leakage even with PP3 spec is shocking
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Probably pays to understand them in Australia, where enforcement seems somewhat over the top.
It is reported that they’ve arrested people for just saying on chat rooms “let’s all gather on the beach”.
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In Germany it is also propagated that the elderly (i.e. me) should be vaccinated against flu, pneumocoge and whooping cough in autumn. This avoids additional stress if one should get Covid19.
In Italy too!
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Probably pays to understand them in Australia, where enforcement seems somewhat over the top.
It is reported that they’ve arrested people for just saying on chat rooms “let’s all gather on the beach”.
I have friends in Melbourne. Total police state. Police are super diligent. Would never been accepted here.
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Something that I simply do not understand. Why is it that people don't understand that the surgical masks that most people wear, scarves, bandanas etc. are not for personal protection but to protect others if you unknowingly are infected. Surgical masks were never designed to protect the wearer. This basic principle seems to be beyond the comprehension of the majority of the population. If you sneeze into a surgical mask it is true that some droplets may excape but most are contained. If I had to travel on public transport I would wear a PP3 but thankfully I don't have to. Unfortunately  jnr does, but we are taking steps to minimise this,. (she works in a pre-school)
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