Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms does anyone understand the covid rules?

Look on the bright side - 240,000 less Trump voters

A positive COVID test does not mean you are infected or are infectious.

All it means is that viral RNA from the COVID 19 virus has been detected in your body.

The testing is chaotic, the data derived from the pcr testing is confused at best and misleading at worst.
As SOSPAN has said, the key to knowing what is really happening is to get a robust and credible testing system in place.

But if, in 4 to 6 weeks, COVID hospital admissions have not increased and death rates are within the normal expected range at this time of year, what is to be done?
Spend more and more, keep restrictions in place, or say enough is enough, it is all over, nothing to worry about, go back to normal?
Governments will not accept that, because it makes them look stupid. So they will continue with their confused position.

I used to be a long term member of a Political Party, it matters not which.
Today I resigned, I have no confidence in any of them.

Peter, given the current state of knowledge, how do you differentiate between whether a positively tested person is contagious or not? It is better as a precautionary measure, all those who test positive are first put in quarantine. One knows someone is positive but one does not know the viral load. Furthermore, the example from South Dakota shows that one cannot rely on C19 positives not being contagious. The large numbers of infected people speak a different language than the scientific qualitative approach. Of course, you can now reply that the 240,000 people who tested positive will not infect others...

I also believe that governments will change their measures if the leading virologists give a slight all-clear. And as I said, perhaps it now indicates that the virus will lose its lethality. So if we are a bit patient, it could be better in spring.

but the politicians and “experts” treat these results like the beginnings of the apocalypse

As the pandemic plays itself out over the coming months - or maybe years, heaven forbid - the true qualities of our leader's capabilities will be exposed further. I can imagine that many countries will then look in envy to those countries where decisive early leadership was evident such as Sweden or NZ even if their approaches to the problem were diametrically opposed. The key will obviously be the management of the country and all its other accumulated health and economic predicaments in the face of the pandemic rather than the pandemic itself.
If on ultimate reflection, Sweden got it right all along, what will we all do next to get out of the biggest hole we ever dug, especially bearing in mind that their approach was akin to that initially adopted by the two leaders most criticised on this forum!
As Peter J has said, perhaps, the next quandary will emerge in 4 - 6 weeks if death rates are within seasonal expectations. Having said that, the politicians will, of course, put this down to the precautionary 'lock-down' measures they have just imposed and so the confusion continues!

This came up after the video in the Sturgis article

Amid pandemic fatigue, an Arkansas hospital warns the crisis isn’t over. 


At Baptist Health hospital in Fort Smith, the intensive care unit for covid-19 patients is full, and a long-time nurse has died from the disease. https://wapo.st/2FrAp1v

Fascinating.

Looks like we're in for another lockdown. CMO Chris Witty is recommending that since we're up to something like 38,000 new cases a day we have one starting soon and lasting just 2 weeks.

A government minister has dismissed suggestions, so we can look forward to them fannying about for another week or so until it becomes really obvious we need one, by which time it'll be too late to nip it in the bud so it'll have to last longer than 2 weeks.

I hope you all have plenty of toilet paper left over from last time

Selfish disregard for basic precautions will prolong this crisis.

It brings out the best and worst in people.