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Then all the schools need to be closed.

This morning met friends for coffee in a regular, well managed coffee shop. All are nurses/ex nurses and well educated about hygiene. A topic cropped up about a local pub. A small group were in there having a quiet drink. One states he has had a Covid test that was positive.
“I haven’t got any symptoms so I am ok as it must have been a wrong result”.
The pub is now closed and several people( families too?) in isolation.
It beggars belief at the stupidity of some people.
It is the attitudes of these ***** that open up the limiting measures of masks,social distancing self discipline to allow increased chances of spread. There is no GUARANTEE that the measures introduced re masks, distancing, in pub/shop/restaurant will significantly slow spread but ignoring them makes them less effective in attempts to manage the spread. Human nature and attitudes are a massive hurdle to clear.
Businesses that deal directly with the public, like pubs, restaurants, shops, must ensure customers adhere to the rules and act to call out those who who ignore them. Pubs have always been ejecting and barring bad behaving customers but everyone needs to adopt a zero tolerance to keep the Darwin Awards idiots away.
Covid is here for the long haul and our lives are not going to revert to what they were any time soon. A vaccine will help if/when it is developed but Covid 19 is here to stay. Smallpox has been eradicated, Polio is close to the same. Flu, colds, TB to name 3 are still with us but we seem to cope with them but unlikely to be completely eradicated.
Travel, hospitality, arts sectors of the economy are in for a long, tough time. Will the Government introduce more measures specifically to help them? Targeted tax allowances, lower employment cosrs etc.
A tough time for Politicians.

I know quite a few here are not in this category, however the majority of the country is.

Total deaths since March 2020 for the under 60's with no underlying health conditions, 307.



Isn't it long overdue that the elderly and vulnerable isolate and leave the rest to it? As others have said this isn't going away anytime soon and even with a vaccine there's no 100% guarantee.

Really? Even the “young” who contract it but don’t die can suffer long term health issues. It isn’t just deaths that are the end result. Severe cases are leaving some with major organ failure, mobility issues. Focussing on deaths is ignoring the other medical problems. Also, picture the scenario of elderly family members being cut off from relatives. In many cases shielding must continue for those vulnerable due to underlying health problems such as suppressed immune systems due to chemotherapy as an example.

So, sorry to be slow, but are you saying that 6 of you sit in a cafe, all on separate tables 2m apart, wearing masks?
That's a big cafe? Or a huge table? That you don't pass sugar or anything?
Nick

So to summarise this theory
All over 60’s and anyone with an underlying health condition (definition to be decided), irrespective of employment status are to isolate themselves until they receive a 100% guaranteed vaccine.
Isolation, by definition, to include no physical contact with family and friends, so no baby sitting etc. No going out for exercise as you could easily come into contact with others.

Alternatively of course we could just isolate the f’wits irrespective of age who can’t manage to socially distance and wear masks

When is "enough, enough" ? At some point the workforce will have to go back to work as before. There is no way the Government can continue paying for everything when the tax revenues have been stripped. Remember this isn't a Labour Government There are 5.9 million businesses in the UK, 5.6 million are micro and they in the vast majority are buggered. I spoke to my bank manager yesterday, they are bracing themselves not only for mass redundancies in November but mass liquidations of companies next year when theses business have to start repaying the BBILS, which the Government have underwritten.

The powers that be and the general public I fear, face some very challenging social and economic choices.

I'm going for a spin in my Lotus....

I would put myself and my crew in the same category as your wife, however I can understand why people may make an assumpton that we are putting ourselves and everyone else at risk. If one of us were even slightly concerned, we would stay away, but I am also aware that we might be asymptomatic as we probably have a superior immune system to the average person.

As 50+ year old bikers, we are very good at calculating risk and acting appropriately

I've just returned to my office after sorting out a punch up. I have been covered in small amounts of spit and gob from the hoards of kids who surrounded it, and had to physically restrain two 15 year olds who were insistant on punching seven bells out of each other. It was quite amusing to watch, as they were both under 5ft and I looked like some kind of giant as I got each of them by the scruff of their blazers and dragged them off......

But as we all very know social distancing and masks are not the whole answer, they help a little. Do we also isolate the idiots that can't even figure out how to wear a mask. See loads of eldery and tge young with it over their mouths only. I'm not bashing the over 60's. I am really concerned that the vulnerable and elderly are paying the ultimate price. I'm just at a loss bit like the Government.

You should get out of Yorkshire more.