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This morning  met friends for coffee in a regular, well managed coffee shop. All are nurses/ex nurses and well educated about hygiene. I would put myself and my crew in the same category as your wife, however I can understand why people may make an assumpton that we are putting ourselves and everyone else at risk. If one of us were even slightly concerned, we would stay away, but I am also aware that we might be asymptomatic as we probably have a superior immune system to the average person. As 50+ year old bikers, we are very good at calculating risk and acting appropriately  I've just returned to my office after sorting out a punch up. I have been covered in small amounts of spit and gob from the hoards of kids who surrounded it, and had to physically restrain two 15 year olds who were insistant on punching seven bells out of each other. It was quite amusing to watch, as they were both under 5ft and I looked like some kind of giant as I got each of them by the scruff of their blazers and dragged them off...... So does your last paragraph make you even slightly concerned? Will you be staying away from the cafe this week? Nick
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As you know, I have absolute zero choice but to get exposed to hundreds of kids, other teachers, support staff and parents on a daily basis. We also have bin men coming into school, portaloo cleaners, sanitary waste cleaners etc.
Out of school I like to stay away from people as much as possible (same as before COVID), but if I'm putting myself at risk every day, it seems pretty pointless to stay at home like a prisoner in all my social time. As a result, I go to the pub every Friday evening. Just me and the Mrs - arrive at 6pm, couple of pints and go home. Book a table, have a quick natter with the bar staff (been a local for several years) and that's the limit of my engagement.
Saturday morning, I get on my Bike and go out to breakfast with 5 of my mates. Three of us work in schools, and another is a Nurse so again, at far less risk at breakfast than we are at work.
At the weekend, I always try and do 'something' to help me remember why I go to work all week. Shuttleworth last week, Zoo week before, off to Delapre Abbey this weekend. Again - we keep away from people, use bookings where possible and limit our social interaction to serving staff etc.
The new rules shouldn't affect stuff, just hoping that we don't go into further lockdown. However, I don't think that feckless crapweasle Boris would risk losing any more of his mates money.
That sounds like you have adopted the right survival technique in your high exposure occupation. you have just got to get out and do nice risk assessed things for a break to keep your marbles intact.
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I know quite a few here are not in this category, however the majority of the country is. Total deaths since March 2020 for the under 60's with no underlying health conditions, 307. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2020/09/23/120090116_10160358849779746_8757939152324877352_o.thumb.jpg.97e41a04a84fe1e99c6db55039160b50.md.jpg) Isn't it long overdue that the elderly and vulnerable isolate and leave the rest to it? As others have said this isn't going away anytime soon and even with a vaccine there's no 100% guarantee. Deaths are not the only issue with Covid19, it has neurological, respiratory and cardiac effects as well. This is tending to more common in younger people and could have significant long term issues. We also need to consider the effect on health care staff who have to deal with Covid19 patients. They must be paranoid about transmitting the virus from patients to their friends and family.
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So does your last paragraph make you even slightly concerned? Will you be staying away from the cafe this week?
Nick By that reasoning, surely my priority would be staying away from school and self isolating for two weeks?
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. I'm just at a loss bit like the Government.
The Government can be excused some things, there is no rule book for new viruses. The race to develop a vaccine is brilliant. The Nightingale hospitals are remarkable. Rishi Sunak is doing a pretty good job. Sadly there are many things they can’t be excused. Reacting too slowly to initial outbreak. Total lack of PPE even though it had been raised pre virus. Over dependence on China for nearly everything Panic buying Letting the unelected Dominic Cummings run things Supporting DC over informed knowledgeable health advisors Totally failing to realise that as we enter autumn and the temporary lab staff went back to full time work coincided with students going to university, children going back to school, folks getting told to go back to work, borders being reopened, failing to “police” people who should be isolating might all cause a testing back log. Failing to implement a “world class track and trace system” Failing to look into to what went well and badly the first time to help prevent making the same mistakes this time There’s more but I’ll stop other than to add Keir Starmers, Mark Drakeford and Nicola Sturgeons ratings are on the up. BJ with his blustering attempts at Churchillian speeches is sinking faster than the Titanic, even his father ignores his rules. On other matters his government is making more U turns than a plumbing fitting company with ministers seemingly Teflon proofed against serious mistakes. Yep BJ and his government are at a loss
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[quote=nick wSo does your last paragraph make you even slightly concerned? Will you be staying away from the cafe this week?
Nick By that reasoning, surely my priority would be staying away from school and self isolating for two weeks? [/quote] Why?
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It seems to me that what this shows is that however educated, intelligent, responsible etc. we are, we all hear the advice and rules differently and so act differently from each other, with our own personal set of justifications.
There's no actual, real connection between the total behaviour of a population and the attempts of a government to halt the virus.
We all decide to take certain risks, risks that are both to ourselves and to everyone else.
No way out then?
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This morning met friends for coffee in a regular, well managed coffee shop. All are nurses/ex nurses and well educated about hygiene. I would put myself and my crew in the same category as your wife, however I can understand why people may make an assumpton that we are putting ourselves and everyone else at risk. If one of us were even slightly concerned, we would stay away, but I am also aware that we might be asymptomatic as we probably have a superior immune system to the average person. As 50+ year old bikers, we are very good at calculating risk and acting appropriately I've just returned to my office after sorting out a punch up. I have been covered in small amounts of spit and gob from the hoards of kids who surrounded it, and had to physically restrain two 15 year olds who were insistant on punching seven bells out of each other. It was quite amusing to watch, as they were both under 5ft and I looked like some kind of giant as I got each of them by the scruff of their blazers and dragged them off...... Has smoking stunted their growth?  At 15 I was the same height I am now (5'10) although my knees worked better back then....and my back....and I had more hair.....
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So does your last paragraph make you even slightly concerned? Will you be staying away from the cafe this week?
Nick By that reasoning, surely my priority would be staying away from school and self isolating for two weeks? Why? If I am putting my 5 friends at risk when we are maintaining proper social distancing and have a decent hygiene regime, then the 100's of kids/staff I encounter every day, without a scrap of any of these precautions, are at far more at risk, and the number of people I could infect is exponentially higher?
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I know quite a few here are not in this category, however the majority of the country is. Total deaths since March 2020 for the under 60's with no underlying health conditions, 307. Isn't it long overdue that the elderly and vulnerable isolate and leave the rest to it? As others have said this isn't going away anytime soon and even with a vaccine there's no 100% guarantee. Deaths are not the only issue with Covid19, it has neurological, respiratory and cardiac effects as well. This is tending to more common in younger people and could have significant long term issues. We also need to consider the effect on health care staff who have to deal with Covid19 patients. They must be paranoid about transmitting the virus from patients to their friends and family. All diseases carry risks whether life threatening or damage to organs that ruin the rest of your life. Septicaemia kills more people every three months in the UK than Covid has taken from us in 6 months (under 60's) for example, my Father was one of them. Do you stop going to hospital or gardening or cutting our fingers, NO, life has it's risks and it's all about managing those risks and I'm afraid to say getting on with it. Like TBM is by going to the cafe`. Yes there's a risk but so is going to his school everyday. Same as I and my staff have risked everyday since the outbreak in supporting Care Homes and Doctors surgeries in functioning the same as before. We IMO cannot stay behind closed doors or masks and think that will solve the problem. It may reduce, it may slow it down but it's not the solution. I have no bloody idea what that solution is and I'm sad to say neither do the medical professionals or the Government or any Politician for that matter it appears to me anyway.
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