Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms So did we all get the message tonight from Doris

Sorry - you should see my use of the apostrophe!

There's a good reason why I teach History and not English

EDIT: Now it's been quoted I can't even go back and surreptitiously edit the post and say I don't know what you're talking about

Its simply not correct to say " markedly less well" though I understand where you get the idea from with the barrage of media negativity. For example out death rate per 100k is much the same as Italy.Cases per 100k is a bit more than Italy but less than France. Tests are way double either country. Current active cases are well below France and much the same as Italy. No doubt you can find some places that have done better and others that have done worse - have a look at worldometer

But there arent similar countries to make easy comparisons. population density is an issue for example, particulalry in the UK where there are large areas with low desnity ( Scotland) and others like the SE that are human ant heaps. Then there is the issue of medical competence in hospitals - is the NHS as competent as the German equivalent for example, or are we deceiving ourselves as usual. Plus of course the issue of a compliant rule obeying society - are we as good at following orders as the Germans for example, or are we more like Italians?

There really are only two ends to this epidemic. Either we get herd immunity at a high enough level for it to become an irritating but unimportant problem or we get a vaccine. Seperation / distancing is only a delaying tactic which cannot ever defeat the virus and the public's willingness to comply with distancing rules in masks etc diminishes with time. We arent a police state and when the general public decide they have had enough and start to ignore the rules as many are noiw doing, there simply is no way of putting the genie back in the bottle. People on here can rant as much as they like about the oiks ( or whatever) who flout the rules but the latter will simply say "up you" as they see the comfortable middle classes telling everyone else what to do. .

Well said Howard, I agree.

+1.

Human Ant heaps. Thats funny. I like that.

I think it is best to ignore the numbers and focus on not getting/giving it at each and all stages. The rest is down to natural selection.

Spot on 👏👍

for me, the important numbers are numbers in hospitals, numbers on ventilators and number of deaths .. all of which have not spiked anywhere near as much as the screaming headlines for number of cases

My view exactly.
Back in March/April when cases were running at 6000 per day the hospital admissions close to 3000.
The last figures for September I can find show COVID 19 cases approaching 4000 a day and hospital admissions at less than 300.
Something doesn't add up.
the next 4 weeks will be crucial.

The cases reported in the last few days pulls into focus the Doris timid preventative measures IMHO..

Take care out there.

This week there have been expert comments on herd immunity, and one view is that this can't be achieved simply by natural infection of the population.

So a vaccine, which builds confidence, appears to be the only exit strategy. Even with a vaccine I can't see momentum building for some years after initial deployment.