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Fingers crossed it is a VTwin from whom I don't mind. We will find out in the next year or two.
I assume Moto Guzzi must be working on Euro 5 compliant V twins.... The only one so far is its V85, which is significantly less powerful than the X Wedge. It would help if the M3W could shed a few pounds.
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It would help if the M3W could shed a few pounds.
Same for me 
M3W5sp 2015, MSCC, MTWC, Oxon UK
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It would help if the M3W could shed a few pounds.
Same for me  Same here and I would rather suffer buying smaller pants than a thin cracked frame.
The light at the end of the tunnel is actually a train. 2019 M3W
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Despite rumours about a new M3W being introduced, it would seem a rather odd business decision to now develop a petrol powered car which will not be able to be sold in the U.K. at least, after 2030. Electric anybody ? It would not do it for me without a big noisy and visceral engine up front.
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Some more thoughts about the next M3W Harley M8 engine: With the uneven 45 degree piston firing pulses, a Centa or similar would still be needed as the balance shaft used would quell the rocking back and forth of the engine and not the torque spikes. The specs in the article below list a dry sump with the water cooled heads, the sump being below the gearbox rather than a stand alone oil tank. Let me add, that I am not familiar with Harleys so perhaps there are other variations with different models. https://ridermagazine.com/2020/11/02/2020-harley-davidson-road-glide-limited-tour-test-review/The caranddriver article linked earlier is the only one I’ve seen describing the next gen M3W, while talk of an under-bonnet engine has been speculative. If it is accurate, that a motorcycle engine will be used, I’d expect it to be in view at the front as motorcycle engines are typically out in the open and have pleasing aesthetics unlike a car engine. I recently found the below web page with an interestingly modern designed concept 3-wheeler using a BMW flat twin at the front with an accurately styled Morgan emblem. Note the date; Jan 2010. https://www.coroflot.com/IND-ltd/Lightweight-Trike-RoadsterJust need to shorten the wheel base by bringing the rear drive pivot to right behind the seats.
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I still think it'll be like this. Not radically too far away from the outgoing model. With a water cooled baby Ford engine. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2020/12/08/1280px-Morgan_Threewheeler_EV3_Genf_2018.md.jpg)
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Harley engines have two varieties for the oil. one is a sump below the engine, the other is a tank that sits under the seat. There also is a wet clutch/ primary chain that has its own oil. The transmission is a third independent oil. While that is three different areas, it is, IMHO a better arrangement than my old gold wing that has engine, transmission and clutch all sharing 4 quarts of oil
Rodger 2018 M3W "Dreamers on the Rise" 2004 Plus 8 (wife's) old Goldwings and a couple of Harleys
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Some more thoughts about the next M3W Harley M8 engine: With the uneven 45 degree piston firing pulses, a Centa or similar would still be needed as the balance shaft used would quell the rocking back and forth of the engine and not the torque spikes. The specs in the article below list a dry sump with the water cooled heads, the sump being below the gearbox rather than a stand alone oil tank. Let me add, that I am not familiar with Harleys so perhaps there are other variations with different models. https://ridermagazine.com/2020/11/02/2020-harley-davidson-road-glide-limited-tour-test-review/The caranddriver article linked earlier is the only one I’ve seen describing the next gen M3W, while talk of an under-bonnet engine has been speculative. If it is accurate, that a motorcycle engine will be used, I’d expect it to be in view at the front as motorcycle engines are typically out in the open and have pleasing aesthetics unlike a car engine. I recently found the below web page with an interestingly modern designed concept 3-wheeler using a BMW flat twin at the front with an accurately styled Morgan emblem. Note the date; Jan 2010. https://www.coroflot.com/IND-ltd/Lightweight-Trike-RoadsterJust need to shorten the wheel base by bringing the rear drive pivot to right behind the seats. olwyn. the M8 can have the counter balanced to remove 90% of the vibration.
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To clarify, what I’m describing as a dry sump system is where the engine oil isn’t stored in the crankcase as with a wet sump. As rcmatt wrote that the softail oil tank is under the seat, while on other models it’s under the transmission and separated from the crackcase. rockabillyjohn; I was writing about the power output torque spikes from the 45 degree layout sharing a common crank pin resulting in Harley fitting a compensator on their bikes. The Harley engine use suggestion was based on availability, emission compliance (US EPA), expected EU5 compliance, minor modification to the current M3W resulting in a quicker transition time from the current M3W, and traditional V-Twin layout. Per the caranddriver article: We're also assured it will be launching a new three-wheeled model after what we're told will be a brief gap, one that will be fully type approved for the U.S.The BMW R18 engine out front would be interesting, but I wonder that since BMW has just introduced their R18 motorcycle (with the expected initial high demand a new model gets) if they would have extra engines to sell to Morgan? With BMW, I can see that happening, and it is already EU5 & EPA compliant. I also think that the R18 engine would be a better engine in function than the M8, plus the BMW gearbox would and reverse (as optional on the bike). What ever the next gen M3W will be, I imagine it is already being driven around and under going testing if the caranddriver article is to be believed ( brief gap). So, no one likes this one?  ![[Linked Image]](https://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/large_156175_sgHzIH2MbIMPYYfZ2JuZKwrUM.jpg) From: https://www.coroflot.com/IND-ltd/Lightweight-Trike-Roadster
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Looks like a grasshopper.
The light at the end of the tunnel is actually a train. 2019 M3W
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