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At the end of the day if you play with fire somebody will end up singed in the corner crying.

tbh I don't have much sympathy for either of the "hurt" companies but it does show TATA in an unflattering light, the cynic in me says even bad press raises the failing company profile of JLR one of the giants smaller sattelite companies.

With hindsight Suffolk were going down the tubes anyway so this issue just accelerated the process a little, maybe they were a senior outfit and retirement suited them is a possibility not unheard of.

Just a totally personal view on this very 1st world issue.

Agreed - when I worked for Lloyds, one of the big wigs on the Names group (post crash) gave me some sage advise, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.....

(and he assured me that before the crash he'd said that to every 'Name' before they signed up)

Spot on, these people are not innocents are they, they are trading "for free" off the back of a once great company.
I don't think you or I would feel that was a good moral decision or a sound business arrangement.

Again a totally personal viewpoint, Jaguar have never done it for me really.

There are no free lunches in life.

All manufacturers including car manufacturers have at some point been subject to the IP, Trade marks, patents and licences of others, so they have either paid a licence fee for its use, or bought out the licence holder or invested vast sums in R&D to develop their own technology and design. Why should there be different ground rules for copycat manufacturers?

Its rather a sad case, but someone was trying to take commercial advantage and make financial gain out of someone else's design and IP and not pay for the privilege. Then apparently without adequate resources and silly enough to challenge a corporation with by comparison deep pockets and most likely inhouse legal team that would specialise in that area.

This is nothing new in other industries of major corporation protecting their interests, one of the most protective companies is Rolex, that up until recently for example used the US Customs to seize unaccompanied Rolex imports that did not come thru it's USA subsidiary.

regards

Agree completely.

Considering the pack of lies statement from the family is now all over social media and Auto forums, if I was JLR I think I'd be wanting another day in court for defamation.

Whilst a sense of vindication of your Corporate position is perfectly understandable, morally I would stand back from such further legal action against an already defeated and close to bankrupted litigant...........it would be enough to point out the case to others without rubbing the litigants nose in it. Usually putting them on notice about their misrepresentations whilst the appeal runs its course should be enough, Then again some people never learn and on occasion need that extra legal remedy to correct the record.........

You don't want to appear too heavy handed but do enough to deter others from following the same path. Sometimes a very difficult balancing act.

regards

Not disagreeing with your comments but it feels a little inconsistent.

Follow the path of Bowler?

Making cars that look rather like something else.
Every article talks about LR and Defender.
Shapes and body panels (somewhat abused) from the donor car.
Promotion of it in the press and comments from JLR in a couple.

Company on the edge of going broke, JLR buy it and make it SVR tier 2. Not a punitive lawyer in sight?
Don't get me wrong as an enthusiast I am very pleased they made that move. If it means they are going to do some Rally-Raid/Dakar stuff then brilliant it finally looks to the future brand and not the past. Building new brand equity not robbing old sterotypes.

It does make you wonder.

I would have thought that the money being spent on cases like that would have been better spent working out why they were still making X types, sorry X type Mk2 the XE and who signed it off. Cleaning up the massive bifurcation of the line up and working out how to get to BEV faster.

Sorry if that is the elephant in the JLR room and not meant personally at your comment but someone in management needs a MASSIVE kick up the a__e before they waste time on things like that.

It has gone even further than we thought. JLR have now had a court ruling in Sweden which has forced an old couple to scrap their "C" type and pay all JLR's costs amounting to £450K. What a despicable company they have become whilst continuing to build non road legal copies to sell to "collectors" for around £1 millon.
The UK has always had a very healthy replica/kit car industry and Jaguars have always been some of the most popular. Just what they hope to gain apart from a couple of dozen sales, I can't imagine.

Just to make it clear, I have no association with Tata/JLR (apart from once owning an X300, and once spending an evening sight-seeing at the top of the Tata Tower in Calcutta )

This whole thing has just got my back up and smacks of the Daily Mail 'my kid got sent home from school for wearing the wrong uniform after 500 warnings for wearing the wrong uniform'......

Read the posts above for the fuller picture.