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Originally Posted by Obie
I think I did that around 3k miles. How the NVH is attached to the front of the bevel box it will never be any good.


Thank you Obie


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That's interesting because my NVH does not move and I have never had any banging, etc. are there different ways the NVH is attached?


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I suspect rubber compounds and their differences. Just like some Centa rollers fail quickly and others don’t.


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Originally Posted by GregA10
Just as a quick update, went for another spin today and even under mild throttle I had a pop a couple of times when I didn't get off the clutch smoothly enough that, after hearing you guys, could certainly have been the belt slipping a spot. So the belt is either loose or the bevel box is moving more than it should creating that slack under load. I'll try to nurse it until first service and have them check both.

As for the break-in, I'm mostly cruising aroung around the 3k mark but have run it up through the revs a few times. (I was immediately deterred by the banging!). The range of revs and loads is modest but certainly not out of a lack of consideration, in fact it's deliberate as I want a good bedding in of the engine.

To put this in context, my usual way of running in engines is to run them flat out for the first 50 miles, under load and through all revs, preferably with non-synthetic oil, then change to synthetic, and job done. Most break-in procedures are a myth IMHO. I've seen poorly maintained high-compression diesel engines with half a million miles on them and you can still see the boring marks from when they machined the cylinders! The first few miles are the most important, but to create a good seal between cylinder walls and piston rings. If you wait 500+ miles before putting load on the engine the rings will already have hardened and never expand properly. You will have poor compression, blow-by, dirty oil, and oil consumption.

Call me crazy but I do this to all my cars, have never had a wear issue despite them all being tuned to rev higher than stock, going on plenty of track days, they have above factory-spec compression even after 150k miles in one case, and they don't need a single oil top up between 15,000 mile services. They've always dyno'd above manufacturer specs too.


Granted I'm not familiar with S&S but I assume they don't chissel the cylinders out of a block of cheese, or am I mistaken?

(Though I am religious about warming engines up properly and NEVER lugging if that helps) wink


I agree with your engine break in procedure. I have owned dozens of v twin bikes and I break them in like I am going to ride them. If it is going to blow, let's get it out of the way right up front. I have never had one let go yet or any that used oil. As far as the banging noise sounds, I would look at the bevel box mount and work from there. Tightening the belt is a band aid. Good luck on the fix.

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Originally Posted by britmog
That's interesting because my NVH does not move and I have never had any banging, etc. are there different ways the NVH is attached?


It could have been improved compared to the video. The main vertical bolts couldn't be tightened fully due to the threads being damaged from the movement but a couple of washers could of helped clamp it down better.
The horizontal bolts weren't doing a lot as the two plates they pass through either side of the bevel box were to far apart to allow them to bolt up tight on the mount.
Some packing here would improved things but how long before it all started to bend and come loose again🤔

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I don’t know if the bevel box is also loose (I don’t like the fact that it’s able to move so much as to hit the chassis - belt slip or not), but the belt is certainly loose.

I took the plastic cover off and am able to push down the belt by nearly 2 inches using only my pinky.

I wasn’t able to get the wheel spindle bolt loose to tension the belt so the dealer will be picking up the car tomorrow. Poop.

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You ought to talk with Phil Bleazey. E-mail him. He is a great, patient, extremely knowledgeable guy. Not knowing the model of your car and mileage on it, it is difficult to say exactly what is going on. I put the bevel box mounting kit in my 2018 after I reached 300 miles on the odometer. My car was not making any noise but after the install, the car performed better at starting off and it lowered the noise in the bevel box. The extreme tension that people are putting on these belts is scary. I have ridden belt driven bikes for 20 years and I have never tightened the belt as tight as they are saying to tighten it. My next fall project is the Centa drive unit that Phil has designed. The way you can see if the NVH kit is causing the noise is to remove the seats and inboard metal sheets and pry on the bottom of the NVH kit on the bevel box end. There is a video somewhere on this sight that has a guy showing the movement. If your car is brand new there may be other issues.


Here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q36-b0pG2mA


Wow that’s crazy! I hope mine can be tightened down, otherwise I suspect I’ll eventually be doing the same.

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that is how my belt was..... it really has to be tight


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I will ask them to tighten the belt and check the bevel box mounts too. And they can straighten the steering wheel while they’re are it 😅

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Originally Posted by GregA10
I don’t know if the bevel box is also loose (I don’t like the fact that it’s able to move so much as to hit the chassis - belt slip or not), but the belt is certainly loose.

I took the plastic cover off and am able to push down the belt by nearly 2 inches using only my pinky.

I wasn’t able to get the wheel spindle bolt loose to tension the belt so the dealer will be picking up the car tomorrow. Poop.



I had to loosen the back nut on the back wheel and that thing was on there. I had to use a cheater bar from the top of the car to break it loose. I would have never gotten it loose from underneath the car. They say it is that tight so they can get the keeper in the nut. Well I threw the keeper away and tightened it to a reasonable tightness. If that thing vibrates loose, there is a serious issue going on.

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