|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
tow bar
by G Walker - 24/08/26 06:52 PM
|
|
|
Forums39
Topics49,836
Posts837,266
Members9,596
| |
Most Online1,063 Jun 14th, 2026
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,273 Likes: 38
Talk Morgan Expert
|
Talk Morgan Expert
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,273 Likes: 38 |
Lots of mods you can do to the Sigma engine too 
Last edited by Craig Jezz; 07/03/21 07:58 PM.
Craig Jezz
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 150
L - Learner Plates On
|
OP
L - Learner Plates On
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 150 |
I have both an xflow7 and a sigma 4/4, the 7 has a far better ride and yet, I’d never do any long distance tour in the 7. If I’m entirely honest with myself, the 4/4 is laughably bad on a bad road at the wrong speed so you just have to slow right down and dodge the bad bits. Basically, you have to just decide you’re buying one, do it and never allow even a shadow of doubt to enter your mind, you’ll grow to love it. I wouldn’t bother about a warranty, there’s nothing you couldn’t sort out yourself, I’ve had amazing reliability, the only recurring issue has been the wipers. It’s only recurring because I’m too lazy to sort it properly, the multi plug on the wiper motor is garbage, give it a wiggle and it’ll come back to life but only until I need it then it likes to remind me how lazy I am. The sigma engine is an absolute cracker as is the Mazda gearbox, possibly the best I’ve had. Here is my 4/4 with the wipers in the “let’s not work” mode, really unhelpful in snow. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2021/03/07/8BAC4DE2-DADA-4DBC-82CF-3B9C88EDA49E.jpg) Interestingly we had a Xflow 7 ‘till about two years ago. We let it go as it was so impractical that it didn’t get enough use to justify it. The Lotus Elise went last year ... they aren’t as good, at least on poorly surfaced roads, as the press reviews would suggest.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,519 Likes: 320
miles of smiles Talk Morgan Expert
|
miles of smiles Talk Morgan Expert
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,519 Likes: 320 |
The 4/4 has very little body roll and can actually handle very well, but not until you’ve acclimatised to the strange steering feel and the slightly disconcerting rear axle waggling about behind. It’s all fine though, I’ve never gone beyond the absolute limit, I get the impression it would end in a ham fisted looking tank slapper, it certainly can’t do impressive drifts like the 7 does.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,236 Likes: 40
Has a lot to Say!
|
Has a lot to Say!
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,236 Likes: 40 |
Go as new as you can......build quality slowly improved over time............... This was the exact advice I received from Russell at Revolutions, also small improvements have been made year on year that add up to a big difference over a ten/twenty year period.
Gordon Duguid 2014 Duratec engine plus 4, Montreal blue.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 69
Talk Morgan Addict
|
Talk Morgan Addict
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 69 |
Just to be controversial.... All those little improvements have equally diminished the charm of the car. Yes the sigma and mazda is a brilliant combination but the seats, steering wheel position, heated windscreen, easy up hood, electronics, especially throttle,lack of spare wheel, have, in my opinion, removed alot of the enjoyment. I find myself yearning for an older one again. (It could be all in my mind but...) And also consider that all the older ones will have been rebuilt so are of proper quality by now. Lastly, problems with old ones can all be sorted whereas the problems with modern ones (see rev hanging issues etc) are effectively unsolvable. I'll probably lie low for awhile now  Nick
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 5,464 Likes: 171
Charter Member
|
Charter Member
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 5,464 Likes: 171 |
My 2014 4/4 has a spare wheel. It also has a few leaks and is therefore a proper Morgan.
Paul Costock, UK Plus Four 75th - Furka Rouge - Pip Disco 5 Teddy - 17h1 Irish Draught cross
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,273 Likes: 38
Talk Morgan Expert
|
Talk Morgan Expert
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 2,273 Likes: 38 |
Just to be controversial.... All those little improvements have equally diminished the charm of the car. Yes the sigma and mazda is a brilliant combination but the seats, steering wheel position, heated windscreen, easy up hood, electronics, especially throttle,lack of spare wheel, have, in my opinion, removed alot of the enjoyment. I find myself yearning for an older one again. (It could be all in my mind but...) And also consider that all the older ones will have been rebuilt so are of proper quality by now. Lastly, problems with old ones can all be sorted whereas the problems with modern ones (see rev hanging issues etc) are effectively unsolvable. I'll probably lie low for awhile now  Nick No rev hang issues with mine, or lack of a spare wheel 
Last edited by Craig Jezz; 08/03/21 03:30 PM.
Craig Jezz
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 69
Talk Morgan Addict
|
Talk Morgan Addict
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,824 Likes: 69 |
I forgot to add my biggest problem with the 4/4 which is ground clearance. I scrape on almost all sleeping policemen in car parks etc. In my Roadster it was even worse, I lived in fear of losing the sump. In my 70's and 80's cars I used to drive in fields on fun days, I really wouldn't dare do that in my current car. The older cars have a completely flat underneath with nothing of the engine hanging down.
I still love my current car of course, but not all of the "improvements" have added to the joy. Nick
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 150
L - Learner Plates On
|
OP
L - Learner Plates On
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 150 |
Okay, I am starting to feel a bit conflicted now😳 I have seen a couple of older CVH cars that are significantly cheaper and they do leave change for any “fixing up”.
I’ve also seen a couple of late model Sigma engined cars of low mileage that I would hope should be relatively buy-forget-&-just-drive and enjoy. Some of the comments above suggest perhaps that’s a little naive?
I have had many lost hours in my garage restoring classics rather than getting out and enjoying them. Also, thousands spent restoring old cars is money never recovered. I have decided that those considerations and my knees and aching back suggest not to go there again.
So, on balance, I am leaning towards a late model car now.
All this has been internet browsing to-date but I have phoned a couple of dealers. They suggest click and collect but am slightly nervous about doing this with a purchase as big as a used car during lockdown.
Just as an aside, when I enquired, the cars were stored outside on the forecourt; is that a bad thing with a Morgan in winter weather?
Anyhow, am getting closer!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,435 Likes: 122
Talk Morgan Guru
|
Talk Morgan Guru
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,435 Likes: 122 |
I would like to add something here again. Some points that are said against the Sigma 4/4 affect all Morgan cars because it is their principle nature. E.g. that you can not compare the road holding with a Lotus, I know it because I also drive a 2007 Elise since new with Rotrex supercharger.
I have had several Morgan models and the Sigma 4/4 is very reliable and unpretentious in my view. Also it is the Morgan with which I have never had ground clearance problems after 90,000 km. There is no Sigma 4/4 with rev hang. I would buy a Sigma 4/4 again immediately. With it you have the driving fun and you are not bothered by expensive restorations. All the service you have to do on the 4/4 is nothing different than other Morgan models. As I wrote weeks ago, just install the correct springs and the fun can begin.
'14 4/4 graphite grey
|
|
|
|
|