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There's an ex-Lawrence 1961 +4 Super Sport being auctioned at Silverstone next month. http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1961-morgan-4---le-mans-class-winner-in-1962

Reading this suggests that the car with "TOK 258" which we see racing is not the LeMans car at all!!!!!

Enter a storm of hornets!!!!!!!

Golly - This is getting like the history of Le Mans Bentleys

In the same auction is this 1974 Monica http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/monica
I saw this in the flesh a few weeks ago, and it did look very good.

I thought we already knew that? Allegedly

The trouble is tracing the full detailed history of each car...

Cheers,

So, to be orginal, this car should have a 'low-line' body and TOK should not - Is that correct? and if so, is that how the cars are today?

#4840 left the factory in 1961 to become XRX1 - it then had TOK 258 put on it for Le Mans, and then was re-registered JHX 142 B in 1964. It was a hi-line car in 1961....and is often viewed as the second Super Sports

I have heard more than once that there are bits of TOK on quite a few Mogs, many of which claim to have provenance and are priced accordingly.

The guys on mog-group@googlegroups.com say you could write a book just about this car (4840), and none of that will feature a car with an engine under 2 Litres

How many different Mogs were fitted with the TOK 258 number plate?

The TOK idenity issue keeps confusing all.
A few facts....According to factory build sheets a Mr Lawrence took delivery of a hi-line SS chassis 4840, engine no 2537HR in June 1961.This can be verified by Ken Hills book 'Completely Morgan. Four wheelers 1936 to 1968'published by Veloce 1994.
It would almost certainly have been delivered with the 1991cc motor(more on that later) as were most hi-line cars.It was the 5th SS built/delivered and the 2nd rhd.
Because of Mr Lawrences wish to succeed in the 1962 race he felt it should have a low line body(less drag) as per the current 4/4 model. Peter Morgan always preferred the hi body and was not keen to change it but CL 'obtained' a low line body and the rest is history...as it turned out Peter Morgan was requested by buyers of the SS after the 62 Le Mans to build all cars from then on with the low-line...Im sure the 4 seaters(5) retained the hi-line until end of production in 1968.
So the car listed in the Silverstone auction this Friday maybe very kosher but it does not have its original engine as the class Morgan won in 1962 was the under 2000cc class and it would(should..or who checked?)have run the 1991 engine.
Other posters comments on what really is TOK 258 or how many TOK 258's are there is a very contentous proposition.
Maybe Herman Pol should give his view.
I own chassis 4749 the first SS built.