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The auction car should be in the range of £25k to £30k depending upon the knowledge of the buyer and the keeness of the seller to do a deal.
13CUX or "Flapper" injection suffers from limitations of a newly introduced technology , most of which were ironed out in the follow up 14CUX "Hotwire"
The bodywork and interior look OK to me , but with that obvious neglect under the bonnet , I would fear the worst when it comes to chassis, valences , steering, suspension and brakes.
George , your car is something very special , obviously it has had a lot of very detailed attention in all the right areas, and still maintains most of that today. I would estimate £35k , or at least a £10k premium over the auction car.
That said +8s just aren't making the money they should be these days. Newer owners seem to prefer the Roadster if they want a tourer , or the more agile +4 or 4/4 for spirited driving. I think the iconic status , the V8 soundtrack, and that indefinable desirability factor should put them at much higher prices than they seem to make.
Andy G 1999 +8 , Indigo Blue. Ex-John McKecknie/Mike Duncan 1955 +4 racer.
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Interesting thinking on the monetary evaluation of old +8`s or indeed any Classics and as Richard points out there will be many out there polished to perfection and hiding all measures of bodge such as chicken wire and filler in areas of structural importance if when one may be unfortunate enough to be really dependant on the crash worthiness of it all...? All of which on Morgans at least being of a relatively simple chassis construction there it is perhaps more difficult to hide bodge than in vehicles of much more complex monocoque construction and which can rot from the inside outward within their many closed cavities, due to condensation or perhaps worse still, fording streams, and flood damage, the latter being ever more common in recent years. For the uninitiated there is one book which I have that illustrates details of the after effects of Trad Morgan corrosion happy to dig it out if the title/author might be of interest. My own Morgan having had the benefit of Kevin`s strip down and rebuild to concours standard with under 10k miles on the clock at the time it`s chassis bulkheads and much else still gleaming in high gloss two are pack paint all be it with under 35K miles on the clock seems to have greatly benefited as the result of that bit of extra care and attention to detail which Kevin invested in it. However it`s paintwork displays a degree of usage in my ownership, thus not polished to perfection but more than good enough for me, and in some way provides comfort to perfectionists at car events given it gives them something to point at and tut tut over...(-: Bottom line, is that it would not take a great deal of effort to bring it back up to concours standard today..it`s value today... I could only guess at.. Care to have a go at a realistic possible market value..? Don`t worry about hurting my feelings... https://www.tm-img.com/image/xWg0Hhttps://www.tm-img.com/image/xWexShttps://www.tm-img.com/image/xWkCO  Your car George is quite unique with the treatment it has received and the care that you subsequently took of it so you should get a very good price for it probably north of 35 from a purchaser that knows exactly what he is buying, not that you’ll be selling now the sun is out.
2009 4/4 Henrietta 1999 Indigo Blue +8 2009 4/4 Sport Green prev 1993 Connaught Green +8 prev
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You need the BB code full option under the embedded codes page. A lovely +8 ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2021/05/02/_DSC6013.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2021/05/02/_DSC6365.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2021/05/02/_DSC6399.jpg)
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This is more like it. Compared to the OP car. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2021/05/03/2000-morgan-plus-8-608e7ba7ed786.jpg)
2009 4/4 Henrietta 1999 Indigo Blue +8 2009 4/4 Sport Green prev 1993 Connaught Green +8 prev
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Thanks for the input on evaluation of my +8 guys, much appreciated. Putting a monetary value on a vehicle that one has owned for almost twenty years and which has carried us on foreign adventures and back home without fuss and bother, creates a bit of a bond which perhaps risks creating an additional sense of value for an owner that the buyer has no appreciation of.
Another of my +8`s values that a buyer seems likely to be blind to, is the time care and effort that a skilled restorer puts into creating his own idea of a perfect Morgan from the preperation and repainting of bare chassis to the final coat of polish on the paintwork which in the long term has potential to create pay back by it retaining it`s looks perhaps longer than a similar machine fresh from the factory..?
I guess that which may sell a Classic is the usual sales hyperbole, which if missing may underwhelm any prospective buyer who much prefers the idea that the OLD SPORTS CAR for sale is close to perfect in every detail, never raced, rallied and only used by the vicars wife to go to the shops.... Dream on..(-:
Buying from a showroom provides maximum guarantees and thus little to no risk.... Yeah, right, the interweb is loaded with poor souls who imagined that to be the case and paid the price, though there is no doubt that some businesses have taken years to build up a great reputation for after sales service.
I suspect it may be best to take time to create your idea of a Morgan that would suit YOU in terms of your intended enjoyment of it, and your level of ability to maintain it, be that relative to your mechanical/bodywork skills or financial abilities, or indeed a mix of both. Being pedantic about the peripherals would seem to risk an endless search, when that which really matters is the core of the machine, and Morgans being constructed as they are, so much can be mixed and matched over time. Any realistic enthusiast seems likely to expect to spend a few bob on a newly acquired old sports car to better match his own image of ideal over time...?
From many years on the interweb of reading disappointments of all sorts from new owners of of factory fresh Morgans, through to old Morgans that have suffered at the hands of well meaning owners who have introduced issues by tuning, or in their own minds "improving" their Morgans, sometimes at great cost, and who in the process created such a degree of imbalance in it that it became a disappointment in terms of drivability or reliability , which seems a real shame..?
Additionally I have no idea of the cost of a new hood or tonneau, both of which can shrink to some degree with the passage of time, so well worth checking the fit, if you intend to drive it in other than perfect weather conditions..?
Even a well maintained and cared for Morgan can display signs of usage, whereas an unreliable money pit can look perfect on the surface with many an issue lying in wait.... Best to equip yourself with some basic knowledge of what to look for and where, before splashing the cash...?
Stick to practicality and avoid being sucked in by the mystique and hyperbole.
As for my +8, yup £35k seems a very reasonable estimate of value in today`s market to an educated buyer, but to an "average buyer", I suspect MPH is perhaps more accurate. my Morgan is available to buy, but not been advertised as being for sale, and I am even less inclined to do so as the result of Colin`s (AKA spanner-juggler) experience with the pain in the rear tyre kicker...Hmm..?
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Complications in pricing...also need yo take into account pre and post cat cars. Also after March 2001 road tax is far greater. I've been looking and it all gets far more complicated than first site. In the end (unless you personally know the history of the car for sale) there's an argument for buying a knackered old one and doing all the work required. Nick
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That's a good point Nick for those that want a project, the OP car would have to be lower than their guide price though to my mind.
2009 4/4 Henrietta 1999 Indigo Blue +8 2009 4/4 Sport Green prev 1993 Connaught Green +8 prev
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I was looking for a project car for circa five years from about 1996, having spent circa a year on the MSCCDG researching the possible reality of Morgan ownership and related ...err...foibles thereof, of which there seemed to be quite a few... (-:
In the nineties it seemed that UK industry was still in the process of going through de-layering and downsizing, spitting many folk out of their jobs aged from their mid fifties onward. Now with lump sums and pension incentives many of them were then looking for retirement projects, markets operating as they do, equated to an imbalance in the "market" value of any Morgan or parts thereof. All of which created a situation whereby I ended up buying a concours condition Morgan given the cost of buying a tired old Morgan seemed to have become ridiculous. Of course that was my personal perspective and could be entirely flawed.
As for cat and pre-cat... there is a lot to be considered there to, but with a degree of experience in the repair and maintenance of my old sports cars over many a year, a pre digital pre cat Morgan was for me a far simpler proposition and over the years worked out rather well .. (-:
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Interesting thinking on the monetary evaluation of old +8`s or indeed any Classics and as Richard points out there will be many out there polished to perfection and hiding all measures of bodge such as chicken wire and filler in areas of structural importance if when one may be unfortunate enough to be really dependant on the crash worthiness of it all...? All of which on Morgans at least being of a relatively simple chassis construction there it is perhaps more difficult to hide bodge than in vehicles of much more complex monocoque construction and which can rot from the inside outward within their many closed cavities, due to condensation or perhaps worse still, fording streams, and flood damage, the latter being ever more common in recent years. For the uninitiated there is one book which I have that illustrates details of the after effects of Trad Morgan corrosion happy to dig it out if the title/author might be of interest. My own Morgan having had the benefit of Kevin`s strip down and rebuild to concours standard with under 10k miles on the clock at the time it`s chassis bulkheads and much else still gleaming in high gloss two pack paint all be it with under 35K miles on the clock seems to have greatly benefited as the result of that bit of extra care and attention to detail which Kevin invested in it. However it`s paintwork displays a degree of usage in my ownership, thus not polished to perfection but more than good enough for me, and in some way provides comfort to perfectionists at car events given it gives them something to point at and tut tut over...(-: Bottom line, is that it would not take a great deal of effort to bring it back up to concours standard today..it`s value today... I could only guess at.. Care to have a go at a realistic possible market value..? Don`t worry about hurting my feelings... https://www.tm-img.com/image/xWg0Hhttps://www.tm-img.com/image/xWexShttps://www.tm-img.com/image/xWkCO  Lovely colour Ludd but no wonder you have put  after that third piccie. How could you put that box on the back of such a pretty car?
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