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lowebird #676774 07/12/20 04:58 PM
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Max compared to Albon is a pointer.
Same car basically but a big gap in results. OK the cars are set up to what each driver wants but the difference in Red Bull results are quite marked.
The Merc is a clear leader car wise and Russell showed great ability in quickly getting the performance out of it, exceeding Bottas’ efforts. Shame that Max wasn't there to test Russell fully. A Merc team cock up prevented at least a podium finish if not a win.
It was good to see Perez get his win. Thoroughly deserved.


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Fantastic weekend topped off with a very exciting race.
Great for Perez and what a drive from the back of the pack, definitely another poke in the eye for the Strolls.
Not such a good ending for GR, but what an effort you could be forgiven for thinking it was LH at the wheel in that stint before the puncture.
I bet the following medical car got a touch of deja vu when Leclerc and Max had their off, just across the track from last weeks RG accident.


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Just out of interest I did a back of an envelope job on 5 random races this year that Stroll was a finisher in and his average was less than 1% slower than the winner (mostly Hamilton) over the race distance ..... so even the driver many write off as 'Daddy's Money' is less than 1% slower than the 7 times World Champ.

There's a difference in the number of DNFs .... tho that is a strong reflection of starting position .... as they say, 'the trick is to get to the first corner ahead, then everyone else can have their accident behind you' .... Hamilton's multiple poles have insulated him from the delays, damage and DNFs that stem from the early race mayhem .... a clear run vs the dodgems and debris further back in the pack that can ruin your race completely unpredictably ..... Hamilton is a great driver but the way the points are given and the vagaries of racing further down the order means the results exagerate the actual difference in speed between the winner and the 'also rans'. As I said previously 'there are no crap drivers in F1'

Hamilton is a class driver (possibly 'the' class driver at the moment) and the Merc has an edge but qualifying pace and the resulting poles have had a huge bearing on his success.

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Stroll comes with a pedigree ex formiula 3 champion all people seem to mention is Daddys money many drivers come with a package Perez being one. Williams never took kubica because they felt sorry for him they took him on because he came with a suit case full of cash. Image your spot on with your analasiss. Em

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I think that calling F1 boring is rather lacking in a real understanding and in-depth interest in the sport as a whole.

Certainly some races can be boring in themselves but only if they are treated as individual car races (BTCC is better to just dip into for some thrills and spills).

F1 is far more than just motor racing. The technical development of the cars is breathtaking as they try to eek out the last thousandth of a second and do incredible things to stretch the rules to the limit, and sometimes beyond. Power train, chassis, aerodynamics and indeed even safety are all developed to a level that very few outside the industry will truly understand but it's a constant learning experience just trying to keep up.

Then throw in the whole political spectrum bubbling under the surface. Engine suppliers, budget caps, driver moves, teams battling with the authorities over rule changes, team ownership changes, sponsorship negotiations, rivalry between drivers, etc. etc. I accept that it's not motor racing but it is F1.

Then on race weekend. The sheer scale of the logistical challenge to move everything from one country to another sometimes in less than a week and make sure everything is working and that all important spanner has not been mislaid. The tiny variations in atmospheric conditions such as air temperature, track temperature, wind direction and speed that can turn a pace setting car into something that is very difficult to control. And that's without the more obvious effects of a good rain shower and the weather forecasting that's involved in trying to second guess the Gods.

Watching how qualifying plays out and how some drivers and teams handle the pressure better than others. Why does a car that's been fast in all the practice sessions suddenly struggle during the qualifying runs and vice versa.

Race day and sometimes the weather conditions are very different to qualifying so the teams have to make decisions based on empirical date but also feeling and experience. And they don't always get them right.

Even watching a seemingly boring race, it's fascinating trying to follow how the teams try to adapt their strategies as the race unfolds. When tyres do not perform as predicted under race conditions, when a driver makes a bad start and finds himself out of position or when the track evolution is different.

And then, sometimes we get racing like we have had this year. Incredible car control (most of the time) and remember with all that horsepower and speed there is no traction control and no ABS. All of the drivers are incredibly skilled and have lighting quick reflexes. And of course they are all human and suffer from brain fade just like the rest of us but above a threshold that I for one can only marvel at.

Sorry to ramble on a bit but I for one don't think F1 is boring. If I want to see a more rough and tumble form of motor racing, I can always go to Hednesford Hills and watch the banger racing.

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Short lap made it interesting like a Kart track, if they pitted they lost around half a lap , edge of the seat stuff, even Mrs M stayed up to watch it

I thought Russell handled the disappointment very well, personally I think Hamilton can be a bit of a mardy sod, & I'm sure would have spat his dummy out & gone for a sulk in the motorhome


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Plus 1 IvorMOG, you summed it up very well. It's rarely boring xmascheers


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I wish we had the chance to be bored by it, its all pay per view and the local provider sometimes chops at the wrong time.


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V well said Ivormog
Really couldn’t have put it any better myself.
It has been a brilliant season with incredible drives across the whole grid. And on several new circuits too.
Loved it (and also loved F2 and F3 - Schumi and Mazepin are going to have to work hard to play fair with the big children in the playground after their weaving shenanigans this season)
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+3 Ivormog, love F1, always ,always will. I just want my beloved Red Cars to be back in the mix every week.


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