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Thanks Ian for that clarification.

When I got my 2012 car it had already had the comfort kit fitted - which was OK. At least the chronic bump steer had been eliminated. Last winter I fitted the Empire wishbone kit and don't regret it at all. The car is much more confidence-inspiring and chuckable into the corners than before. Hard to quantify but it's so much more 'planted' than previously.

Bunny - Thank you for this.

So if I order the Empire kit, is there anything else I would need or does it just drop in with the existing comfort kit I have?

A few pictures of Craig at M3W Services, Swindon fitting my kit whilst I waited ( took about 3 hrs) Whilst I know others have fitted the kit themselves I wanted the castor/camber and toe done by someone with knowledge and the correct equipment. Craig knew what he was doing and it was a pleasure to see the job done so well.
Ian

It took me considerably longer than 3 hours to fit mine! On my mid-2012 body/chassis I struggled with insufficient clearance around the rear chassis lugs which prevented the billet piece from slipping into place. in the end I needed to remove the steering rack to allow a different approach angle. Also, due to the inconsistencies of early chassis fabrication I needed to machine around 1.5mm off the rear of the nearside billet piece.



After I had the wishbones physically in place it took quite a while to set up the caster and camber angles with careful shimming either side of the rose joints to prevent lateral movement etc, etc. It is definitely an iterative process with each small adjustment seeming to effect everything else! I was fitting new ATR adjustable shocks at the same time which gave me more adjustment but was another variable thrown into the mix.

I used a small & inexpensive INCLINOMETER as recommended by Planenut to set the caster & camber and a home-made jig to set the wheel alignment.




Having said all this, the whole process has vastly improved the driving experience so I can heartily recommend the kit to everyone. I expect the installation would be much more straight forward for anyone with a later chassis.

Love the DIY set up Bunny, really neatly done. Never experienced my car without the Empire kit fitted as that is how it was when bought but dealing with speed humps near me, if you drive bewteen them the front wheels hit the speed humps but the rear glides through the gap. It is sooooo smooth with no feedback into the steering. Very impressed with it. Just need to get the rear wheel missing the pot holes as if you catch a good one, it really jars my spine!

As Bunny confirms, the pre 2014 chassis cars seem not to be built to the same tolerances as the post 2014 cars. I have a 2013 car that had a chassis change in 2015 and have fitted the Empire (now Krazy Horse) Kit to both. The early chassis required several shim washers to get things similar on each side even before we started on the adjustments with the rod ends. When I transferred the Empire Kit to the 2015 chassis it was all much closer and easier to set up. I don't have Bunnies carpentry skills, I just used the clino attached to to steel bits with the magnet and a Gunson Trakrite. The brake disc is handy for wheel angle. The M3W drives really nicely with a well set up Empire Kit and some decent shock absorbers and tyres, all the things Morgan still didn't fit on the final production M3W's

It would be interesting to hear what M3W owners have on average had to spend on their vehicles to get them into the state they should have been in when they left the factory.

isn't that the joy of owning a Morgan?

I have been spending money to improve my car from the state it left the factory in! I suppose the Pembleton has been very cheap to run, any sign of it yet?