Talk Morgan Forums Community Vehicle Talk (non-Morgan) Energy price rise.

Apologies, I agree, I made a mistake in not highlighting both groups as being attached to the same issue. Being the first to the trough is very different from being a leader.

As someone who was given a £4,000,000 budget to address Y2K issues, the problems and risks were hugely overidentified and hyped up by overpaid consultants. Once the issue with the main systems were addressed which in most cases was a relatively straightforward process the rest of the "problems"; embedded systems, telecoms, office system, PC's et al (largely) simply did not exist.

I do not recall the media trumpeting as "see", but my response to "Bloody hell, those people did a good job, didn't they?" would have been Elephant powder.

I worked on £6 per gallon so maybe a week behind the times! But it doesnt matter really. The point is that there is a much smaller difference in fuel costs than Pete was suggesting. Currently its a false comparison caused by diesel having fuel tax on it and leccy not having - YET !!! Not that we are going to have any choice in the changeover anyway.

I think it is important to compare apples with apples.

I compare the cost of fueling a Tesla M3 Dual Motor, a very quick sports saloon with a 0-60 of 3.7 seconds with a similar performance AMG C63, that required 99 Octane fuel and managed about 25mpg.
Comparing with a Mercedes diesel is not a realistic comparison.

They aren't going to, it's impossible to tax electricity by type of use. They will bring in road pricing, focusing on motorways/high density routes at first, extending to other areas later. They won't drop fossil fuel tax to compensate either, they will use it to further 'persuade' people to switch away from ICE.

One source suggests that they'll give everyone 3,000 miles/year 'free' road usage to lessen the impact on the less well-off (as they tend to drive much lower miles anyway). They are still apparently still thinking about charging mechanisms, my forecast is that it will probably be a tracking app for those who accept it, PAYG at a lower rate. Otherwise it'll be annual inspection at an MOT station with a higher rate applied to make up for the additional expense.

Watch for further expansion of ANPR tech. Pretty much all new cars have built-in cellular tech anyway. I was amused to find my Mini has got two chips in it, one in the roof and one in the floor so the car can still summon help if it ends up upside down in a ditch.

In the end, if you enjoy driving, you will find a way. Isn't this why we buy a Morgan as an antidote to modern cars?

None of us are forced to spend money on hobby cars or anything else, and so although the cost debate might be relevant to those who are forced to drive a modern car, that's the extent of it.

Even then, I want a modern which I enjoy driving. That's a really limited market.

Maybe we'll all end up with a 'CO2 Ration' we can spend as we see fit ..... if you want to sit in your underwear in a house heated to 80°, then you don't get to fly off on holiday .... unbridled touring enjoyment of your Morgan?, commute by electric scooter (or eat less meat).... would encourage genuine savings in CO2 and sensitise people to those areas of their lifestyle most damaging to the climate. And give back an element of control to individuals to decide where the pain falls in their particular set of likes and dislikes.

K

Would those without children therefore get a credit?

PaulF .... Indeed .... and a healthy one, seeing as their offspring would have multiplied forever had they existed .... nipping a cascade of polluters in the bud must be seen as worthy of consideration! ..... another 'win' ... incentivising population reduction without the moral minefield of compulsion.

I've yet to see a downside to this! 🙂

K

In Italy VAT of 22% is charged on electricity used for charging BEVs. It can be reduced to 10% if the supply is only from photovoltaic panels.
VAT of 22% applies to all industrial uses and 10% to domestic or residential (aged care etc.). A charging column can not be connected to a domestic supply but I think that slow charging can be done from a domestic supply. I don't yet have the problem so I don't know how it works.