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The majority of Morgan buyers like any car buyer, buy's a Morgan because it suits them.
If Morgans get better car mag reviews with the new suspension that will improve sales. I also believe anti lock brakes and air bags have to come in as well.
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Air bags are in already. I'm not a fan of ABS. Just something else to go wrong. Unfortunately, for a long time, people have been taught how to pass a test - not how to drive...   
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Hmmmmm........may be I'm in the minority here but I'd not buy a new Morgan if it didn't have the traditional suspension. It's all part of the heritage I've bought into. It doesn't stop me lusting after the Aero though!
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I'm in two minds about this, I like that fact that my old morgan has 100 year old suspension, but I think if I was lashing out on a new one I'd be happy if it had a more up to date system (I have already felt the need to tweak the existing with adjustable shocks and newer springs). I really dont feel the need for ABS and I suspect that airbags in a trad with a wooden frame is a bit pointless
Conversely, I would only buy a citroen if it had hydro-pneumatic suspension.
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For me the trad Morgan is the only vintage car (except engine) you can buy new. If Morgan changes too much, perhaps a new suspension and ally frame it will be a retro car like the new Fiat 500. I wouldn´t buy it.
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For me the trad Morgan is the only vintage car (except engine) you can buy new. If Morgan changes too much, perhaps a new suspension and ally frame it will be a retro car like the new Fiat 500. I wouldn´t buy it. I see where you are coming from Jens. I too decided to buy a Morgan for that reason. However; the chassis or, in the case of the new Plus 8, the aluminium tub are completely hidden from view, as is the suspension. Also we now have motors that are much more powerful, and the traffic is faster and potentially more dangerous, than in 1954, when the current shape Morgan was first released. We are probably already pushing the limits with the current suspension and chassis. Construction and suspension have been improved over the years together with mechanical and tyre technology. Few of us would really want 1954 technology tyres, for example. To compare a original Fiat 500 to a new Fiat 500 is not possible, the only thing they have in common is the name. The Morgan, on the other hand, is still a natural evolution of the car first released in 1954. In reality the trad Morgan has been a continual evolution so why should it stop now. I suppose my argument is that the body construction and appearance is more important to me than the chassis and suspension underneath it.
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I guess we all have to face the fact that Morgan will have to change at some stage. No doubt forthcoming legislation will stop the use of the traditional chassis and ABS etc will become compulsory. Supplies of engines, gearboxes etc are already making an impact and I wonder how long supplies of the BTR rear axle will last; as long as Holden continue to make a vehicle that uses them.
Also Morgan probably need to consider their market....I don't want to suggest that we are all of a certain age but they may feel that to attract new and younger buyers, who won't necessarily be interested in Morgan's heritage, things like sliding pillar suspension, cart springs and ladder chassis just hold no appeal and need to be replaced with modern underpinnings.
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Seems to me that the patent sliding-whatever suspension has reached the limit of its potential - in fact, far over-reached it. 4 months into my Roadster ownership there's no doubt in my mind that there's really no point whatsoever in ever-higher levels of power in this chassis: my 3.0 litre Roadster is capable of outright performance way beyond the capabilities of its underpinnings - other than on the smoothest of roads. Don't get me wrong - I love it to bits - for its character, style and its performance, but find myself driving more sedately over poor-to-average roads (of which we've plenty in Devon) than I probably would a decently quick tin-top: the crashing and banging is just so unpleasant for anyone with an ounce of mechanical sympathy, and it's just more enjoyable to cruise along, enjoying the scenery  So I, for one, would gladly buy a trad with a more modern suspension: but I don't want anything fatter than my Roadster - and I don't want to spend £90K for the privilege! Meantime, I'll continue to cruise cautiously over frost-damaged Dartmoor "B" roads, and get my adrenalin fix every so often on the better "A" roads in those precious (and increasingly rare) moments when traffic is light 
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In my opinion the trad car as is is a nice mix of development and heritage. Ladder frame, suspension, woods etc. should keep untouched with this particular type of cars.
At the same time especially engines and tyre technologies have moved extremely forward. Also an old suspension profits from this. As the hole construction is one working unit (e.g. hard suspension together with a certain need of a flexing body etc) I don´t see what to change - if not all. In summary the trad car should stay as is. This is all about her charming anachronistic existence which delivers a "feel of ride" second to none in comparison with any more modern solution. And this is exactly the reason why I am a customer.
Off topic, I´m about to sell my 4 y old Elise because the adventure, the driving experience is too modern, always faster than allowed if not on track use and in a paradoxical sense - well, somehow boring. May be more a thrill for 20y younger guys than me. I guess modern expensive "super cars" are in the same way if not more boring when used on the road.
On the other hand the trad car could be a subject of an endangered species. For one reason the customers are getting older in average. Following generations may not see those benefits as we enjoy about. May some of you can compare this matter of fact with an other category. I´m a music- and hifi friend. I love my vintage tube amps and my Klipsch horns. My Kids have had not so much closeness ref this hobby.
But they are now, getting older, "discovering" what is it about - after years living with "mp3 plastic sound".
What could be a solution for MMC?
As I said, keep the trad car, as long they are allowed to build it this way.
Develop some very exiting new model which is AFFORDABLE! and build it in parallel with the trads for some years to come. Affordable means a very different offer but in a 40 to 60K price range.
Save the core heritage where it can be combined with new technologies. Core is wood, freedom of elbow, may be a modern interpretation of the Morgan specific suspension, lightness, an immediately recognizable shape in a modern interpretation but more brave to get it´s own character rather than copying it like an S-Type or a Mini.
Do NOT copy modern technical solutions like KTM, Lotus etc.
Do NOT make a retro of your own breed (the Plus8+ is a step in a may be wrong or at least controversial direction, possibly a good intermediate product but not more than this in my view).
A new product must reach new generations of buyers who have in common with us the wish to drive a car which is more about the joy of ride than about prestige or the last drop of competition with super car brands.
In addition the buyer has to reflect a character of the Morgan car experience which covers full adventure as well as the real feel to suffer for this. A Morgan is not made for any wimp, no free lunch, it´s about that every driver has to to reach those exiting moments of driving by working on it.
I hope my smattering English is somehow understandable...
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In my opinion the trad car as is is a nice mix of development and heritage. Ladder frame, suspension, woods etc. should keep untouched with this particular type of cars.
At the same time especially engines and tyre technologies have moved extremely forward. Also an old suspension profits from this. As the hole construction is one working unit (e.g. hard suspension together with a certain need of a flexing body etc) I don´t see what to change - if not all. In summary the trad car should stay as is. This is all about her charming anachronistic existence which delivers a "feel of ride" second to none in comparison with any more modern solution. And this is exactly the reason why I am a customer.
Off topic, I´m about to sell my 4 y old Elise because the adventure, the driving experience is too modern, always faster than allowed if not on track use and in a paradoxical sense - well, somehow boring. May be more a thrill for 20y younger guys than me. I guess modern expensive "super cars" are in the same way if not more boring when used on the road.
On the other hand the trad car could be a subject of an endangered species. For one reason the customers are getting older in average. Following generations may not see those benefits as we enjoy about. May some of you can compare this matter of fact with an other category. I´m a music- and hifi friend. I love my vintage tube amps and my Klipsch horns. My Kids have had not so much closeness ref this hobby.
But they are now, getting older, "discovering" what is it about - after years living with "mp3 plastic sound".
What could be a solution for MMC?
As I said, keep the trad car, as long they are allowed to build it this way.
Develop some very exiting new model which is AFFORDABLE! and build it in parallel with the trads for some years to come. Affordable means a very different offer but in a 40 to 60K price range.
Save the core heritage where it can be combined with new technologies. Core is wood, freedom of elbow, may be a modern interpretation of the Morgan specific suspension, lightness, an immediately recognizable shape in a modern interpretation but more brave to get it´s own character rather than copying it like an S-Type or a Mini.
Do NOT copy modern technical solutions like KTM, Lotus etc.
Do NOT make a retro of your own breed (the Plus8+ is a step in a may be wrong or at least controversial direction, possibly a good intermediate product but not more than this in my view).
A new product must reach new generations of buyers who have in common with us the wish to drive a car which is more about the joy of ride than about prestige or the last drop of competition with super car brands.
In addition the buyer has to reflect a character of the Morgan car experience which covers full adventure as well as the real feel to suffer for this. A Morgan is not made for any wimp, no free lunch, it´s about that every driver has to to reach those exiting moments of driving by working on it.
I hope my smattering English is somehow understandable... Beautifully put.
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