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Originally Posted by Alistair
There is another thing that needs to be considered here, for the LONG term ownership of these cars in the same way the Trad's are cherished.

As mentioned above there is an element of owning the parts process to protect the revenue for the lifetime of the car. However selection of easier to find parts will be far better for the long term availability of the cars.

Instead of unbranded parts from odd suppliers the choice of common suppliers would be far better. It would also raise the quality of the brand. Whilst all the normal ML's needed new parts the Brembo based AMG cars did not.

On the Series 2 the problems with the rear ABS sensors and rings were identified by my local BMW garage engineer. It meant that access to spares is easy in the future. Whilst I appreciate that the Plus range are a big price step up and so a risk for Morgan it feels like an imbalance.

Some of the issues we see with the Aero cars (window lifters, air con etc) are down to sourcing and will limit the cars long term future. Or maybe that is there goal, to stimulate new sales, that would be sad.


The CX brake suppliers are the remnants of Caparo/Lockheed which were Indian owned- so hardly a spurious supply chain

WRT the Aero series cars I’m trying my best to source and keep the spares on the shelf. I’ve got most of the S1 wear and tear parts in stock
The biggest issues are going to be the “black boxes”. Most of the S1 stuff was bespoke- and in potted sealed boxes so really difficult to reverse engineer . The chemicals to remove epoxy potting are pretty nasty- and can damage the circuits inside

I’ve already been asked by the dealer chain to look into the CX radiators
And the factory send me Aero S1 parts requests….


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Originally Posted by Alistair
Even if they do sell them at a reduced price they can't move them anyway.......ironic.

Like the M3W I can see the keener customers seeking a "Bleazey" properly engineered solution to this problem whilst the procrastination continues, life is short and fly's by in a Plus series car...


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Originally Posted by SimonH
Originally Posted by Alistair
There is another thing that needs to be considered here, for the LONG term ownership of these cars in the same way the Trad's are cherished.

As mentioned above there is an element of owning the parts process to protect the revenue for the lifetime of the car. However selection of easier to find parts will be far better for the long term availability of the cars.

Instead of unbranded parts from odd suppliers the choice of common suppliers would be far better. It would also raise the quality of the brand. Whilst all the normal ML's needed new parts the Brembo based AMG cars did not.

On the Series 2 the problems with the rear ABS sensors and rings were identified by my local BMW garage engineer. It meant that access to spares is easy in the future. Whilst I appreciate that the Plus range are a big price step up and so a risk for Morgan it feels like an imbalance.

Some of the issues we see with the Aero cars (window lifters, air con etc) are down to sourcing and will limit the cars long term future. Or maybe that is there goal, to stimulate new sales, that would be sad.


The CX brake suppliers are the remnants of Caparo/Lockheed which were Indian owned- so hardly a spurious supply chain

WRT the Aero series cars I’m trying my best to source and keep the spares on the shelf. I’ve got most of the S1 wear and tear parts in stock
The biggest issues are going to be the “black boxes”. Most of the S1 stuff was bespoke- and in potted sealed boxes so really difficult to reverse engineer . The chemicals to remove epoxy potting are pretty nasty- and can damage the circuits inside

I’ve already been asked by the dealer chain to look into the CX radiators
And the factory send me Aero S1 parts requests….


As originally posted by Alistair Re the ABS Sensors and reluctor rings as identified by his mechanic as being other than an MMC manufactured item, it was suggested to me many years back that the MMC would raid major motor manufacturers out of date stock to find parts to incorporate in the manufacture of new Morgans... Around the time I was buying my mid 80`s +8 20 years ago I was told that some of the rear brake parts were originally Ford Zephyr or some such a vehicle which had long since ceased production... and in that respect I think Lorne spent quite some time researching Morgan parts in the hope of providing alternative sources of parts for Morganeers.

Some time back I spent some time checking out local parts suppliers, buying kit such as a spare old style instrument voltage regulator along with rubber brake seals and diaphragms for my Stromberg carbs, and where available complete clutch and brake cylinders, even a spare rev counter.. Apparently the parts suppliers were giving up on stocking seals as there was a dropping demand for them given it seems the trade was more inclined to fit replacement units as complete assemblies..?

My +8 it of pretty simple construction, as for the number of spares and cost to try to ensure long term functionality of digitally driven vehicles on the road, I hope someone with the drive and ambition of Lorne to help keep Morgans on the road comes along in time..

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Long term ownership is an increaing challenge with far more complex systems in cars and it seems with Morgan, quite a bit of cobbling together of CANBUS systems and a complex mix of parts/suppliers.

The now 10 year old (recently discontinued M3W is a case in point...the engine supplier S&S has walked away from the X-Wedge with no clarity on future parts supply...supply of custom parts (steering rack/bevel box/clutch) which Morgan has banned suppliers from selling to anybody else to maximise spares income is haphazard. Thank goodness for the enthusiasm of a few ownwers and the community...Phil Bleazey and Ian Brett are particular stars with the alternate part list being an absolute must have...

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Being a Plus Four owner, obviously the concern is safety, but I hope MMC soon advise us of the proposed action.

For me, if it is a seal or master cylinder replacement like for like, without a redesign, if it is known that it was not just a batch of faulty seals, then I cannot see the problem being resolved.

I would hope that MMC update us this week with some sort of remedial programme. I would rather know my car was off the road for 2 months or more than sat day by day thinking it is an easy couple of weeks fix.


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Hopefully some more information will be forthcoming this week, an indication of timescale would be very helpful.


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With the benefit of hindsight, right from the start, road testers were finding CX brakes to have long travel and on the soft side. It was thought to be a design element, but now seems more likely to be linked to the master cylinder issues.

Nobody expected either the brake problems or the radiator problems, neither of which should be issues on a new design. And as a layperson, it's hard to see why the radiator leaks are continuing.

The question is, is new CX production continuing with radiators which are likely to leak and master cylinders which are likely to fail?

I really hope that MMC get both issues sorted soon. Once out of warranty, it becomes a long term liability for the owner.


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Originally Posted by DaveW
With the benefit of hindsight, right from the start, road testers were finding CX brakes to have long travel and on the soft side. It was thought to be a design element, but now seems more likely to be linked to the master cylinder issues.

Nobody expected either the brake problems or the radiator problems, neither of which should be issues on a new design. And as a layperson, it's hard to see why the radiator leaks are continuing.

The question is, is new CX production continuing with radiators which are likely to leak and master cylinders which are likely to fail?

I really hope that MMC get both issues sorted soon. Once out of warranty, it becomes a long term liability for the owner.

Amen...


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here the response of the factory on the 04/02/2021

here is the response of the factory about the feeling of the brake pedal:

The brakes on 21MY pass all EU braking tests & are perfectly suitable for the performance of the vehicle. In response to customer feedback on brake pedal travel, we have changed brake suppliers for the 22MY vehicles.

I hope this helpful.

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Originally Posted by thierry242
here the response of the factory on the 04/02/2021

here is the response of the factory about the feeling of the brake pedal:

The brakes on 21MY pass all EU braking tests & are perfectly suitable for the performance of the vehicle. In response to customer feedback on brake pedal travel, we have changed brake suppliers for the 22MY vehicles.

I hope this helpful.

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If that is the case, could it be that some of the CX models are not affected?


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