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The lack of information and communication from MMC has been lamentable on this whole issue from start to…..well we haven’t got to finish yet! We are advised dealers should be now receiving fix kits - I would really like to hear from anyone who has had the “fix” applied as to what has been done, how much workshop time was involved, what is the effect on operation on the car, any information on points of difference between plus four and plus six, manual v auto etc etc. (I understand kits are vehicle type specific?) What we all lack is proper detail on what this is about having been fed nothing but rumour and disappointment for way too long. Dealers have been left pretty well as much in the dark as the rest of us for most of this time.
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The main problem with my Plus Four, ( for which I’ve had many minor faults,and still have some ongoing problems. ) is and always has been the brakes, it’s a sports car with the stopping power of a 1980’s car, mine is the auto and the engine braking is far better than the brake pedal and I’ve never had the ABS working, be it on a gravel or a damp rod surface or an emergency stop. But would I change back to my Plus 8 which I had for over 20 year….NO. I love the car, for me and my good Lady it’s more comfortable and easier to drive in our later lives, and hopefully when sorted it will be a great car for the next 20 years.
Heron Grey Plus Four 2021
Previous:- Connaught Green 4/4 1988 Black Plus 8 1998
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I have exactly the same as you.i feel worry about my dealer. It is the only one in Belgium and they have just moved in a new beautifull place. They have been impacted by the corona crisis and now they cant sell cars.
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Most likely one of the real issues for a small manufacturer is the lack of development time and testing prior to production of new models with increasingly (for Morgan) more advanced technologies being bought into play. Having said that brakes and radiators are pretty old well proven engineering technology. The engines and transmissions have been subject to original manufacturer testing and QC like many other of the outsourced components, so its only the bits that Morgan design, build that are purely down to Morgan's own inhouse development and QC regime. It would be interesting to understand how much of the Morgan CX is now built from outsourced components and what reliance Morgan places on other companies design, testing, inspection and QC procedures and how that compares with Morgan's own inhouse development, and QC resources commitment.
I must admit having been out of Morgans for nearly 30 years, I was somewhat surprised as to the extent of the issues on M3W and now the CX, maybe the internet has made it more visible but I certainly don't recollect the same level of development issues back in the 80's and 90's. Certainly build quality, eg untreated wood frames, mild steel inner wings and bulk head corrosion were well known and understood weaknesses that have been addressed over time with better treatments and better quality materials used. Or were these things more symptomatic of simpler days and simpler cars to build and maintain compared to the complexity of modern green cleaner technology driven Morgan cars of today.
Or has there been a more fundamental shift in the persona of Morgan in its search to take the brand increasingly upmarket, with increasingly more powerful models at a much more expensive price point possibly without the internal infrastructure and resources to assure delivery of a reliable product...........even the best car manufacturers with massive development budgets suffer setbacks and problems with their products. Maybe there is a important lesson here for Morgan that it may need to take heed of in its scramble to release newer and more sophisticated models....ie get the basics right otherwise it can bite you severely on the bum, do untold reputational damage in a very different customer base today compared with 30 or 40 years ago of Morgan enthusiasts, that's beside the cost of putting all these thing right.
I thought about a CX, I'm glad I didn't go ahead, they are a great car, a step change compared to the trad, but the trad benefits from decades of development in the basic areas that keep the allure and cars alive.
I sincerely hope this fixes the CX issues for good,. Given your comments John I can't help being amused and now saddened that MMC made great store of the fact that barely 5% of components used in the previous Classic models were carried over to the CX range.
Richard
2018 Roadster 3.7 1966 Land Rover S2a 88 2024 Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 1945 Guzzi Airone
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Lets hope we wil not have to wait 70 years
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Been told by my dealer that they are getting very few kits. It seems that the factory is looking after its own first. My dealer is sadly in the dark.
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I got my car from MW London, they seem to just as in the dark as the dealer network. I’m getting increasingly frustrated about the £100k paper weight in my garage that I’ve only drive 3 miles home from the dealer before the dreaded email landed.
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Not affected as I have a trad. Looking from the outside there are details to describe the process of sorting things out. What is the delivery schedule of new parts from suppliers? Is it all to MMC for them to distribute? What is the policy for distribution? Who gets what ? What is the pecking order for selecting cars in order? MMC getting first preference matched to their ability to do the work then pass on surplus? Plus6 before Plus4? Or vice versa? Dealers supplied pro rata to their ability to do the work? A mix of all the above? Preferred dealerships first? Toss of a coin? Loudest shouters first? Someone must be making the decisions on how it will be shared out?
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The lack of information and communication from MMC has been lamentable on this whole issue from start to…..well we haven’t got to finish yet! We are advised dealers should be now receiving fix kits - I would really like to hear from anyone who has had the “fix” applied as to what has been done, how much workshop time was involved, what is the effect on operation on the car, any information on points of difference between plus four and plus six, manual v auto etc etc. (I understand kits are vehicle type specific?) What we all lack is proper detail on what this is about having been fed nothing but rumour and disappointment for way too long. Dealers have been left pretty well as much in the dark as the rest of us for most of this time. Owning a M3W as I do I can confirm that this is the Morgan way of doing things, they are masters of the technological inexactitude, they really don’t want to get into detailed dialogue with a knowledgeable customer base, presumably in case their inner workings get exposed. 
M3W Brooklands (2015) Moody 41 (2013)
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isn't that todays policy everywhere?
Steven sold: M3W, Aeromax,V6, 4/4 4seater now: +fourLM62
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