Talk Morgan Forums Community The Malvern Arms Electric Cars

The Kia/Hyundai/Genesis E-GMP powertrain under the Ionic/EV6 etc is also 800v. They have a very good powertrain in those.

I think Kia/Hy and maybe even Genesis are going to get a good boost out of the next 2-3 years with the product and approach they have.

I rewatched a couple of Vintage Voltage progs recently. They convert any vehicle. I can understand the performance match for, say, a sports car. However, even for the small family/ runabouts such as the small family types they push the performance when basically it is making an ICE car “ greener”. Why not manage the power to extend range instead of the power surge/ performance that is often a selling ( top trumps) point?
An ICE car is designed to be like it is yet we seem to see EV versions that are modified ICE cars. I have a petrol Sportage but there are two EV versions ( can’t remember if diesel though). Took 2 months to get delivery, EV would be about 10 months. Cost more too. All models offer a range of spec with more added tech/toys. No wonder the shortage of processors is causing delays. Mine has an electric handbrake. I am now used to it and like it but why does it not cancel unless my seatbelt is plugged in? I wanted to move the car a couple of metres on the drive but had to put it on. Overly complex system links. Do Kia think it’s owners are stupid? Legislation overkill?
No wonder modern cars are £££££ if they are stuffed with so much tech. More toys/tech induces sales? Perceived extra value added? Nice to have but at a cost?
Looking at the Morgan car configuration the extras are astonishingly expensive. Higher profit generation.
Watching Harry’s you tube vid sums it up for me. Price of car too high, infrastructure inadequate, you need to seriously change attitude to manage your journey and think about which EV is suitable. Quentin Wilson also advised serious research before going EV to get the right car for journey profiles. The wrong car for your needs can result in problems. More so than with an ICE car.

I have done trips to London from Yorkshire and if it was difficult to access charge, just kept the petrol tank topped up, the REx was clever with a bonus of no EV range or busted charger anxiety

Here's a good real world example.

My Mrs has just got a Golf GTE Hybrid company car. We're just getting to grips with it, and haven't had a charger installed at home yet, so charging through the three pin plug option is not cost effective (we have to trail a lead through an open downstairs window so can't take advantage of the cheaper overnight rates). Got a mate who used to install EV chargers for BMW so he's coming round in a week or so to install a proper charger at cost.

Anyhow, just went into Wellingborough and thought we'd try out the BP Pulse charger system in the carpark. After jumping through numerous hoops, we got 50 mins of charge in, which topped the empty battery up to 25% at a cost of £1.56.

The hybrid gives a quoted range of 40 miles on electic alone. However, by the time we'd left the carpark, popped into B and Q and then driven home, we were back down to 1%, a total of 5 miles.

So, on electric alone, it's cost us 31p per mile. If she'd just used petrol, it would have cost about 13p per mile......

Thanks for the realism Phil forewarned is forearmed.

Ouch!
Overnight charging at home on off peak rates is definitely key. My wife’s hybrid does 6p per mile in winter and 4p in summer, electric only charging.

You have to admire the way the government and car industry have made it all seem so easy, buy a electric car and go green.

They cost £10k-20k more for a given use pattern/size etc.
They need high speed charging if it is to be effective.
Until renewable electrical generation (cannot count Nuc in that?) becomes the dominant norm they effectively displace the dirt not replace it.
With predicted electrical pricing going up like that will it save money.

Still they can use it as an excuse to raise taxes on petrol and diesel cars which we all have.
They get more revenue out of the VAT and car tax for the new sales of more expensive BEV's
I guess there is an intention to try and support the new car manufacturing businesses in the UK, remind how many of the remaining factories make BEV's

You outline the issue excellently. Unless you adjust correctly, have the right equipment and lifestyle this is a puff piece and I am starting to feel like the punchline.
PHEV's dragging around their batteries as a tax incentive.

I can see the people on the forum who have done it in an integrated manner - solar, batteries etc - and it shows the real benefits but how many of us are in a postion to do it that well.

Which is why the Tesla went. EVs are not cheap to buy, cheap to run of particularly green.

Me, I'm sticking with petrol, but I would be willing to pay for Bio Gasoline!

Those people stuck for three hours on the M62 in heavy snow, on Friday in EV's would have been sweating I suspect.

Yep, fingers crossed that'll save her a few quid. Although any savings have to be offset against the £800 it's going to cost to get it installed.

On the plus side, we've just been out for dinner at the local Retail Park (Rushden Lakes) and the chargers there are free, so got back up to 33% for no charge!