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The ‘X’Wedge is also fitted to confederate and Hesketh motorcycles so does that mean the end of their road too? I believe there were only going to be 24 Hesketh m/c with the X-Wedge motor...
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As a direct bolt in from a Harley, it would need to be pre-'06 vintage. I believe ACE #10 has a Harley crate 120R "B" motor. S&S does NOT make a "B" motor for a Harley replacement, but do offer a complete line of Harley Twin Cam alternatives for touring bikes. The touring Harleys are NOT counterbalanced of that vintage and may not be a suitable replacement. From several articles, what Pete Larson ended up with was the "B" motor fully counterbalanced. Unlike the ACE, which I have no idea of the interconnection between the motor/trans, the M3W has to live with what's there for the Centa housing adapter bolt pattern and that's the pre-'06 Harley pattern. Also the crankshafts on the newer Harleys are different. The pre-'06 have the shorter length of splines and an external "nut" type fastener, this is identical to the current S&S Wedge motors. The later Harleys have a full length splined shaft with an internal bolt fastener. Also on the later Harleys, the primary bolt pattern was upgraded to a 5-bolt pattern from the earlier "forever used" 4-bolt pattern that the S&S Wedge motor based its design on. As Phil said, there's nothing that cannot be made to work once you find a suitable power plant. The later M-8 Harley touring motors, since '17 up, have a single counterbalance shaft. So even the touring models have "some" means to reduce vibration. The new Softail Harleys have the twin counterbalance shafts and would be even smoother. But again, the M-8 will NOT bolt up to the M3w housing adapter. S&S makes their 124" Hot Setup for the earlier Twin Cam Harley motors with counterbalance. So even an '04 Softail 88" Harley motor with twin counterbalance shafts "could" be rebuilt to a 124" displacement and bolt into the M3W. Without changing lots of items, the Harley pre-'06 motor looks to be the easiest to install. They would use a very similar oil tank configuration, exhaust would not be that difficult and all of the motors can be setup with a carb if that's preferable. Thunderheart makes a standalone ignition system that uses the crank pulse system and has many pre-programmed ignition curves to choose from. I very much like the looks of the new BMW 1800cc flat twin, although not a prominent in stature as the upright V-Twin motors. Would be a slightly lower center of gravity as well. I just hope that whatever happens in January '21 that the production of parts remains for you guys. Keep your fingers crossed... 
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The ‘X’Wedge is also fitted to confederate and Hesketh motorcycles so does that mean the end of their road too? I believe there were only going to be 24 Hesketh m/c with the X-Wedge motor... Looking at the Hesketh site it was the 'Sonnet' which used the X-Wedge and it was being distributed by Moto Corsa. https://www.heskethmotorcycles.co.uk/specification-c13wr Interestingly, Moto Corsa were selling off complete Morgan spec X-Wedge engines on eBay so I guess they never built the full run.
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The ‘X’Wedge is also fitted to confederate and Hesketh motorcycles so does that mean the end of their road too? I believe there were only going to be 24 Hesketh m/c with the X-Wedge motor... Looking at the Hesketh site it was the 'Sonnet' which used the X-Wedge and it was being distributed by Moto Corsa. https://www.heskethmotorcycles.co.uk/specification-c13wr Interestingly, Moto Corsa were selling off complete Morgan spec X-Wedge engines on eBay so I guess they never built the full run. A number of years ago now we took our M3W’s along to Hesketh launch of the 24 and got involved with their press release - What an introduction to them using the x wedge - their test rider almost dropped the bike on its launch - heart stopping
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My crank spline has broken , I was always a bit concerned with sourcing spare parts in the future , would anyone know where to source a new crank ? Is anyone making spare engine parts for X wedge engine ? I just hope I can get the car on the road again , still disappointed that Morgan themselves did not ensure parts availability at least for a period of time. Cheers Alan
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As well as Hesketh the Matchless name reappeared with an S & S powered model although maybe not an X wedge. Not sure if it ever reached production though. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/GfH8KfL.jpg) Click for more info.
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My crank spline has broken , I was always a bit concerned with sourcing spare parts in the future , would anyone know where to source a new crank ? Is anyone making spare engine parts for X wedge engine ? I just hope I can get the car on the road again , still disappointed that Morgan themselves did not ensure parts availability at least for a period of time. Cheers Alan Try M3WServices for a replacement crank or Phil Bleazey for a repair.
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My crank spline has broken , I was always a bit concerned with sourcing spare parts in the future , would anyone know where to source a new crank ? Is anyone making spare engine parts for X wedge engine ? I just hope I can get the car on the road again , still disappointed that Morgan themselves did not ensure parts availability at least for a period of time. Cheers Alan Wollas Garage can also rebuild cranks with a new splined shaft. https://www.wollasgarage.de![[Linked Image]](https://tm-img.com/images/2023/04/21/329174158_645088684039064_6668743116264060592_n.jpeg)
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My crank spline has broken , I was always a bit concerned with sourcing spare parts in the future , would anyone know where to source a new crank ? Is anyone making spare engine parts for X wedge engine ? I just hope I can get the car on the road again , still disappointed that Morgan themselves did not ensure parts availability at least for a period of time. Cheers Alan I am led to believe M3W Services have new crankshafts in stock, finding a full replacement gasket set for the required engine rebuild will be just as difficult to source whether you go new or repaired crankshaft route. M3W services also have fully rebuilt engines available on an exchange basis. Good luck with the search.
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