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I 100% agree with Image, the Devil most definitely in the detail with these things.

I masked up to satisfy myself I was finding the right line, what that taught me was the upper line of the louvres is not parallel with the top of the bonnet, although the parallax effect ensures this changes with the angle you're viewing the car from, and even the viewing height.

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However, I soon realised you can't actually achieve perfect placement using mathematical measurement and straight lines, the challenge reminded me of fitting shelves in a 350 year old Suffolk cottage I once lived in where nothing was straight or true. The ceiling angle was completely different to the angle of the floor, and the adjacent window frame was different again.

The discovery I made was that in such situations the human eye subconsciously follows multiple lines, so referencing my shelf angle to just one line in my line of sight always looked wrong. In the end I fitted the shelves at an angle that ensured items placed on them stayed put, but one that pleased the eye and simply looked right. A Morgan is a hand made car, as such they're all a little different, like those shelves in that old cottage I conceded the answer was more art than science, so while still respecting the bonnet top angle and top line of the louvres I ended up placing my Union Jack emblems where I simply felt they looked right.

The biggest help in this approach was a small amount of Blu Tack, the masking tape lines gave me a good starting point but after that it was a case of trying different positions and subtle angle changes of the emblem until it looked right and pleasing to my eye.

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Once I'd found the spot I was happy with I got the masking tape out again to mark up the position before removing the Blu Tac mounted emblem, this allowed me to go back to the maths by measuring the position against various fixed datum points such as the trailing edge of the bonnet shut, the bonnet catch screws, and the very bottom screw that secures the windscreen frame.

With these series of measurements recorded I was able to accurately duplicate my emblem position on the other side of the car, obviously you never see both flanks of the vehicle and so the left and right emblems at the same time, but I knew it would bug me if both were not in exactly the same position either side of the car.

I freely admit I'm a bit OCD and you most certainly can overthink these things, however, as Image quite rightly points out such small details can make or break the aesthetic symmetry of a car, a Morgan is a beautiful shape that pleases the eye because they got the styling right from the beginning, and in my opinion such things are far more about art than science.

Ettore Bugatti made some of the most wonderful cars ever produced, but he never had a formal engineering education, instead he studied sculpture at the Fine Art Academy in Brea. Bugatti instinctively new what looked right and pleasing to the human eye, there is some science behind all this that can be taught such as the 'Rule of Thirds' as used by Aston Martin on all their modern VH platform cars, but the truth is a lot of it is pure art so needs an artist's mind to achieve true perfection.

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That is attention and planning above and beyond the call of duty (or even sanity possibly!! 🤣) .... I just shuffled mine around til I was happy with how it worked with the surrounding lines, got Mrs Image to confirm from a distance (she is an artist after all so I value her input to all things aesthetic) then just got my drill and put the holes in the bonnet (I just like the screw on look ... used stainless csk small bolts and nylocs as they match the silver outlines of my enamel badges) ... happy with how they look.

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Originally Posted by Image
That is attention and planning above and beyond the call of duty (or even sanity possibly!! 🤣) K

I did say I was OCD crazy2crazy3

Ironically, and despite all the planning, shuffling around is essentially what I ended up doing myself doh

Like I say, you can definitely over think these things nerd

However, it's interesting how we both ended up with a very similar position thinking

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Looks to me like we settled on the identical distance from the bonnet shut line, but I'm just a fraction higher hippy

This may be because the space between the bonnet shut line and the first louvre is different on each car, the additional space on Monty demanding a higher position to deliver the same symmetry nerd nerd nerd nerd

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Originally Posted by Alastair
But if you're a member of Morgan Club de France (and you should be, Jacques!), you can buy a bonnet badge that very cleverly combines the Union Jack and the Tricolore.

Yes I'm since 2003 and was webmaster during 12 years ! I assume you're referring to the badge below, I do have it and it's stuck on the rear panel of the Morgan.

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But if you're a member of Morgan Club de France (and you should be, Jacques!), you can buy a bonnet badge that very cleverly combines the Union Jack and the Tricolore.

Yes I'm since 2003 and was webmaster during 12 years ! I assume you're referring to the badge below, I do have it and it's stuck on the rear panel of the Morgan.

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That's the one! Whoever designs the MCF badges is very talented, I have the 45 year anniversary one and was very pleased indeed with the 50 year one, though it's far too good to leave on the badge bar.


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I had originally thought about putting the Union Jack badges on the bonnet, or a sticker somewhere on ours, but I'm married to a woman of strong Irish heritage, so I opted for a RAF Spitfire roundel instead and she's okay with that...

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Originally Posted by Montegue
Originally Posted by Image
That is attention and planning above and beyond the call of duty (or even sanity possibly!! 🤣) K

I did say I was OCD crazy2crazy3

Ironically, and despite all the planning, shuffling around is essentially what I ended up doing myself doh

Like I say, you can definitely over think these things nerd

However, it's interesting how we both ended up with a very similar position thinking

[Linked Image]
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Looks to me like we settled on the identical distance from the bonnet shut line, but I'm just a fraction higher hippy

This may be because the space between the bonnet shut line and the first louvre is different on each car, the additional space on Monty demanding a higher position to deliver the same symmetry nerd nerd nerd nerd

At my 4/4 4-seater I placed them under the frontscreen, at the scuttle, between screen frame and door. The 4-seater has a perfect spot for that!

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Originally Posted by Alastair
Originally Posted by Jacques
Originally Posted by Alastair
But if you're a member of Morgan Club de France (and you should be, Jacques!), you can buy a bonnet badge that very cleverly combines the Union Jack and the Tricolore.

Yes I'm since 2003 and was webmaster during 12 years ! I assume you're referring to the badge below, I do have it and it's stuck on the rear panel of the Morgan.

[Linked Image]

That's the one! Whoever designs the MCF badges is very talented, I have the 45 year anniversary one and was very pleased indeed with the 50 year one, though it's far too good to leave on the badge bar.

I like those very much! can they be obtained? love thumbs


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Originally Posted by Montegue
Originally Posted by Image
That is attention and planning above and beyond the call of duty (or even sanity possibly!! 🤣) K

I did say I was OCD crazy2crazy3

Ironically, and despite all the planning, shuffling around is essentially what I ended up doing myself doh

Like I say, you can definitely over think these things nerd

However, it's interesting how we both ended up with a very similar position thinking

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Looks to me like we settled on the identical distance from the bonnet shut line, but I'm just a fraction higher hippy

This may be because the space between the bonnet shut line and the first louvre is different on each car, the additional space on Monty demanding a higher position to deliver the same symmetry nerd nerd nerd nerd

Factory-fitted on my PlusFour, I suggest they also use a template...! On my 4/4 I did it myself, with double adhesive tape, I glued the screws and removed their threads. Holds for more than 25 years now.......


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PlusFour.......


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