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It's really refreshing reading you lads joyful stories of new adventures in your CX chassis cars, we have sadly had too many adverse one's so lets hope they are on the way back to what Morganing has always been about

Morgan have always been a bit of a Curates egg (good in parts) as they don't suit everyone and why should they

I have had my plus four for about two years and the only real issue I have had is spongy brake’s although they were improved after the recall . It has had the radiator replaced as part of the factory recall but it has not leaked in my ownership ( I do believe it was replaced 3 times prior to my ownership however). I have also had one wiper blade fall off.

Having previously owned a GDI previously the auto CX is a massive step up in almost every way. The power and handling are in a different ballpark to the previous car. I normally get high 40’s mpg although on one occasion I actually saw 61mpg (warm engine at a steady 40 mph due to traffic). Overall I’m really happy with the CX and the quality issues appear to be no worse than my previous car.

I’ve had my 21 plus four since March 2021 and have 36000kms on it - it’s had the brake system done , has a replacement radiator and needs another! The a pillars corroded and were repainted, the door handles were replaced they pitted and it needs a new windscreen as a lot of the heating wires have broken down. All items have been replaced/repaired by the REAL Irish dealer - Kirwans of Camolin - shame that it takes the factory ages to supply parts - really the factory should deal better with their agents and respond in a more timely fashion.
All this said, I really love the car and it is light years ahead of my 3 previous Morgans!!! It brings a smile whenever I drive it and also brings a lot of smiles from passers by
Happy New Year from ireland

Well expressed TBM and Richard 👍

I may be wrong but for the most part I don't think TM folk complaining about real life design failures on their new cars wish the demise of MMC. Their posts, rightly IMO, suggest great frustration with the company though.

Yep, it's not usually the owners of the new cars who are the harbingers of doom - as this thread highlights.

What I read into these series of postings are owners who are in love with the product and the step change the CX represents over the trad cars. let down by under investment/ poor product development and the hopefully changing management prioritisation in delivering reliable quality product with a good supplies and service network. Having said that I'm sure that the CX recalls has consumed considerable company, supplier and service resources to resolve and at considerable expense, and therefore distorted the normal levels of service and support in place during this time.

Hopefully going forward (if they have learnt the lessons) we will have a more normalised indicator of the build quality of the finished product and the support infrastructure ie service and spares...................but if we are still having the same type of debate in a few years time then clearly they haven't learnt the lessons and that may not bode so well.

Most car manufacturers are suffering recalls, often due to outsourced supplies, but they have the infrastructure and financial resources in place to absorb the knocks more easily.

Morgan sadly have had a lot of experience over the years of having to fix poorly finished vehicles so maybe, a warranty sum of a few £k is built into the price from the very beginning, so they still come out in profit. It would help to explain the somewhat exorbitant prices of the CX models.

The CX cars are at an entirely different price point when compared with the trad, with greater emphasis on 'hand build bespoke craftmanship'......with that comes a greater expectation (rightly or wrongly) of the inherent quality of the finished product and support infrastructure. Fortunately most CX are the 2nd or 3rd car in a household and for many not the daily driver, where the need for reliability and keeping the car on the road is far more critical.

I hope to have a CX at some point in the future, but I'm still waiting for that 'step' change to arrive, I maybe waiting a while yet. For me, I'd rather they invest in quality parts and demanding build inspections before the cars leave the factory with the dealer network acting as a final backstop during PDI inspections. so those annoying avoidable faults and quality issues are resolved before delivery rather than in warranty claim spend creating inconvenience for their customers.

As I have typed before, my chosen forum I.D. kinda gives a clue as to my thinking and where my datum point in Morgan`s history has been set and with much else ever measured relative to that datum in time.

That typed, I have to admit to being seduced to some degree by aspects of ever advancing technological innovation to have become a selective Luddite...(-:

Before I bought into the idea of a Morgan, I posed the question "Which Morgan" on the then MSCC DG which provided a response from quite a few very kind folk, so much so that I was hooked on that forum and also eMog when it appeared on the scene. After circa 5 years of reading contributions, I think I was perhaps educated enough as to that which a Morgan of any age might present in the way of foibles.

Prior to Morgan ownership I had a few decades of hands-on restoration, repair and maintenance of my own old sports Brit sports cars, to eventually end up as a fan of air cooled Porsches, which were famed for their build quality, and was indeed an improvement over that which I was used to...Thus it was with an almost encyclopaedic knowledge-base on the forums, that I joyfully entered Morgan ownership with eyes wide opened....Given I had cut my teeth on old carb based ICE design. I was more than happy that GoMoG found me a carb fed +8, with instructions that I must buy that car, and I did as I was told.... (-:

Now more than 20 ears on, and with a few European trips in HOT weather, as well as a few trips out in the snow locally over the years, it would seem my old car may be testament to old school simplicity and reliability, all be it with only circa 35k miles on the clock...

I am ever frustrated by stories of modern digital Morgans suffering something as simple as brake lights failing, or more correctly that the system of brake light control being such that a Morgan dealership seemed to be unable to repair within minutes, if not even after a number of re-visits..?

Given the choice of heading off on another European adventure I would feel far more confident to do so in my old +8. I and the tools carried acted as the breakdown insurance during our European trips, whereas my experience of making use of brakedown insurance on Mrs Luddite`s Evoque locally, was frustrating enough...

Much the same thinking applies to my 991.1 C4S Porsche, in that I would not be confident it could carry me on a trouble free European trip such as my old Morgan managed, whereas were it available I would be very happy to have taken an extended trip in my my old 82 911 SC.

It seems with the 911 derivatives evolving to the stage where water cooling became a must, that unfortunately some degree of reliability expectations of the air cooled days had been lost, and stayed lost for far too long..?

But then it seems factory recalls are no stranger to even the best of brands seemingly renown for quality and reliability..? It seems even Tesla despite the funding and technical brains behind them.... may be in some sort of recall situation.... That being the case.... I suspect the MMC may not be alone..?

EXPECTATIONS of the customer base would seem to be key, and expecting a Morgan to perform as well or better than a Porsche in terms of reliability....Well my mid 80`s +8 did way better than my 2012 Porsche has managed for me.

Quality parts John... ? I think they might be harder to find even on aircraft these days as it seems the occasional rogue part can cause catastrophe...?