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Originally Posted by sewin
Potts,

All great advice and comment above especially Lorne in that they all drive differently and need fettling as per the car and drivers preferences!

Tyre's, well you'd be surprised how they will effect the drive. If you are sitting on the tyre's the car has for all that storage time they will be crap! regardless of what they look like! Fortunately they are fairly cheap tyres!

Where are you based, Its possibly time to get an experienced morganeer to drive, assess and look at the car. If this is your first experience of Morgan driving all I can say is they drive very differently to a modern car, actually in a lot of ways better! as its all about driver and car.

A driver used to them will know whether its driving correctly or not, or what is not working and probably how to start to correct any issues.
It really isn't about guessing what might help or listening to some who will confidently tell you " ah you need this doing" Firstly the car has to drive like a Morgan and then you can start to think how you want it to drive!

Hi Sewin,

Great advice as usual.

I will get some new tryes and fit the BRB's and test independently of each other to see if I can spot a difference. Then, depending on the results, I might get an experienced morganeer to give it a test drive.

Actually, I've been wanting to do a track day, but becuase of the age of the tyres I have put this off. Perhaps I could use a track day to get some expert input, and it gives me a great excuse to justify the spend on tryes and a track day laugh2

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If the tyres are 22 years old, they will be very brittle. Please change them as soon as possible and before any journey on the road. They will have virtually no grip at all on a wet road.

Once they have been changed, you will notice a real difference.


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Also, if it's sat for a while it might have some flat spots on the tyres.

I can't remember exactly but I think I have the Librands with the elongated hole at the top.I don't think it makes any difference due to the angle that the BRB's are fitted, compared to the direction of forces exerted on them . Once bolted up, there is lilttle chance of movement.


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As per Paul F, Yep those tyre's are shot! Again take things on a known basis, see how the tyre's improve the drive/ride and move on as necessary! You will be shocked at the difference!

Here's the M.O.T. opinion:

Tyre's should really be changed if not worn out at 6 years old(in use).

A 10 year old tyre should be condemned and on light commercial vehicles and above would fail on that date alone.

A new fitted tyre can be considered new regardless of the tyre date mark at up to 5 years old on that manufacture date!

Then of course all tyre wear and damage descriptions apply also.

So, a tyre that has been used should not really be considered viable when it has been in use for 6 years. at the moment car classed vehicles have no condemn date that is applicable by test or law.

Something to watch out for on a Morgan tyre change is the tyre date mark. You are unlikely to wear them out so you want to have maximum time with them at peak performance, ie. six years of time on the car. so insist on tyre's made that year.

Remember the Morgan classic has no driver aids so tyre adhesion in all weathers is vital ...... just change your tyre's when they reach 6 years old! the car will drive so much better on new rubber and it might just save your life.

I so wish selling garages would respect this necessity and also any other so called professionals who gives confidence by saying things like, they can see no issues! Its a bit like selling a gun knowing the safety catch doesn't work and not saying anything! Main dealers selling cars with 12 year old tyre's and older, fitted from new ,and telling the buyer it's got tyre's that look like new! I think that is criminal!

quality branded tyres for most morgan cars/drivers can be bought for under £300 for 5 tyre's!

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I did the rears in Oct and am getting new fronts after 28k miles. They still are legal but at c 3 mm & 5 years old I prefer new tyres for a new season.
They are AVon ZV7 205/65R15. The tyres are £80 plus VAT & traking £35 plus VAT. So a full set with laser tracking is around £420.


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Advice taken and tyres ordered.

I will also get the tracking done. Does anyone know the correct tracking/alignment settings for my model of Morgan: 2002 4/4 Sports lowline 1.8l Zetec (tyres: 195/60R15). I don't trust whats written in the manual, so thought I'd double check.

Thanks again for all the great advice.

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Well again its a little wooly here! Generally you'll find a figure stated of tow in from 0' to just under 3' I set mine at 2-2.25 tow in. my car drives comfortably and true at this setting so that's where I stay. I'm happiest at 2' after rolling it back and forth and rechecking though it usually shows just over 2' I always keep an eye on the wear pattern to the tyre though and after a couple of thousand miles if I have any wear to any edges and I'm talking micro wear, I adjust both sides by half a turn to the track rods and find that trues them up nicely and I don't need to adjust them again! So in true answer I probably run with about a 2mm longer distance between the rear rim centers than the front rim centers.

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Using the generally accepted 0 - 3.2mm or ⅛ inch total toe in you can use this page to convert to degrees as many laser tracking devices require this measurement.

For my car with 24 inch actual tyre diameter it gives 0.15° max per wheel or 0.3° total. Unlike the distance measurement, angle can be used to measure on the solid rim.


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Originally Posted by Potts
The tyres are the originals (so nearly 22 years old)... garage I use (and trust) said they couldn't see any issues and because the car has been well looked after their condition looks fine.


Originally Posted by sewin
As per Paul F, Yep those tyre's are shot! Again take things on a known basis, see how the tyre's improve the drive/ride and move on as necessary! You will be shocked at the difference!

Fine post sewin.Here is a long tirade on the subject, gleaned from experience.

Tyre rubber compounds are a compromise between effectiveness and longevity. I prioritize effectiveness. Morgans are, after all, my passionate hobby. A hobby car has different goals and must be approached a daily driver (which are invariably boring no matter who made them). wink Tyres are THE the most important components on the hyper-minimalist Morgan trad. Most countries now count tyre age as rolling violation in most countries. The UK is 10 years, which is FAR too much IMHO and that of other nations. In the UK, I made a point of buying high quality directional tyres for obvious reasons.

My extreme Morgan mileage has me change my carefully chosen tyres at 12-14,000 miles, tho Michelin Primacy Sports Ws were an exception before they cancelled them in 15". With more than one Morgan thatmeant buying a set yearly. And no matter what the tyres look like, and even if they have never been used, tyres age badly, used or no, as the resin the rubber desperately needs evaporates and the tyres develop tiny cracks almost invisible (without a magnifying glass) and they culminate in blowouts. You do not want a blow out at any speed. With 20k miles on yours an examination of yours will show that leaks and blowouts have happened already..

But first they brake badly, comport badly, turn badly and are VERY uncomfortable. But if one has no point of comparison, how can one know? What they "look like" is irrelevant. One of the worst tyres ever put on a Morgan, the Pirelli P60s & P600s, were frightening, though they looked superb until removal. Good looking tyres can be achieved with a 7£ spray can of silicone.

The MMC is infamous among the cognoscente. I have had three sets from the the MMC, Pirelli P60s, Pirelli P600s and Yoko539s. In each case, I swapped in decent other tyres the next day. The MMC only rarely shoes their cars with the best rubber. Like everything else, they buy on price priority and quantity. But there are exceptions. They used fantastic tyres on the LeMans Plus 8 series more than 20 years ago. Of course, those tyres were pretty much finished after 3000 miles (no typo!) as all the best rubber are. Every see how fast Formula One changes their tyres during a race and theirs are 10,000 quid each!. Of course, 3000 miles is a bit extreme for most owners but excellent tyres are a must.

The date tyres are made is on the side wall. However, for some reason the UK allows tyres as much as 10 years, even when the tyre manufacturer limits that to 6-7. To whit: [font:Arial Black]Presence of a tyre aged more than ten-years ..is classed as a dangerous defect. This will lead to refusal of a road worthiness certificate at a competent annual inspection.

Sadly for you and so many owners, there has been a fad in Western nations for bigger rims and less of an air condition, which makes no sense and and makes the cars suffer. The overall diameter of trad rims and tyres has never changed much and I too use 15" tyres. The 15" offerings in the West have become hard to find. Happily, the rest of the world (84%) still wants more air than metal under them and ALL the best brands supply their best rubber to the non-West countries, ANYTHING that can be had in their 15"+ ranges can be had here in 15". As I now live outside the West, I buy my tyres here and bring them to Canada to my Morgan. For the massive Morgan trad 15" club, I advise them to look for speciality sellers.

As sewin says, the effect of tyres for a Morgan trad CANNOT be exaggerated. In your case, the minimum I would use, is something like in the H or, better still, V class. These classes are not simply a speed rating, they are a rubber quality indication...in the BETTER tyre marques. You will even notice the difference as you coast the car out of the tyre dealer's parking lot.

WATCHPOINT: I was a Concours Chairman in NA for some time. On such appointments, I immediately passed a law banning the cars of the Concours Chairman from such competitions, (It was the only way I could gracefully dodge the bullet of dealing with a cue-tip cleaning of my Morgan after the 1000 miles drive getting there.[wryly]) BTW, everyone at NA Meets enters their cars in Concours. Over-aged tyres (manufacturer recommendation which is normally 6-7 years) were demerit points on my score-cards. Another point was matching spare tyres, which is a factor for all Concours judges.

I also believe the tyre age is an instant indication of how well owners care for their cars.

Lorne

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