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I'm with you Grumpy. We have a 16 year old Mercedes still on it's original tyres and a MX5 which has 12 year old tyres.
I haven't the foggiest idea why people keep banging on about changing them, both cars handle superbly, rain or shine. I have asked at least 3 different tyre suppliers and everyone said no problem, they are fine.

It doesn't help being from Yorkshire, tight fisted buggers that we are!

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But not from ozone. I was big in industrial rubber. Your call but £400 isn't much to live


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4 bits of rubber is all you have between life and death, 12 and 16 year old tyres is asking for trouble. Surely your life is worth £400.


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I have often wondered about this, so did some research (though of course, research on the internet is hardly the most scientific source):


Michelin say:

If the tyres have not been replaced 10 years after their date of manufacture, Michelin recommends replacing them with new tyres as a precaution. This recommendation also applies to spare tyres.

https://www.michelin.co.uk/auto/advice/change-tyres/how-long-do-tyres-last

Goodyear say:

While most tires will be replaced sooner, Goodyear recommends that any tire in service (meaning inflated and mounted on a rim of your vehicle, including your spare tire regardless of whether that tire is in contact with the roadway) 6 years or more be replaced even if such tire appears serviceable and even if it has not reached the legal treadwear limit.

https://www.goodyear.com/en_US/learn/tire-basics/how-long-do-tires-last.html#:~:text=While%20most%20tires%20will%20be,and%20even%20if%20it%20has

Vredstein sit on the fence:

Car tyres are composed of various rubber components, each of which is subject to a certain amount of ageing. The extent to which a tyre ages depends on various factors, such as the number of kilometres driven per year, the frequency and duration of use (e.g. daily or a few times per year), the speed driven and the regularity of tyre pressure checks. Weather conditions, tyre load (i.e. normal load or maximum load) and the way in which the tyre is stored when not in use are all factors that affect the ageing process.
As a result of all of these different factors, it is impossible to say exactly how many years or how many kilometres a car tyre can be used. Remember that the older the tyre is, the greater the chance that it will need to be replaced.
For a tyre to have as long a lifespan as possible, we recommend that you have it occasionally checked by a tyre specialist in addition to carrying out a monthly check yourself. If the minimum tread depth of the tyre has not yet been reached after six years, we advise having the tyre checked by a tyre specialist at least once a year.
Please note: Ensure that extra attention is paid to tyres fitted on vehicles such as trailers, caravans, camper vans, boat trailers and horse boxes. As tyres in these applications are only used from time to time and are constantly subjected to maximum loads during use, they can age more quickly.

https://www.vredestein.co.uk/content-hub/tyre-guide/car-suv-van/when-should-i-replace-my-tyres/

Vintage tyres say:

While tyres made with modern construction methods are pretty good at standing the test of time, they are not invincible and will still start to deteriorate after the first use. Vintage Tyres recommends that you replace your tyres every 10 years.
Even if the tread depth still looks okay, after 10 years, the tyre will have vulcanised/hardened to such a point that it would be quite dangerous to drive on, particularly in damp conditions.


https://www.vintagetyres.com/blog/how-old-are-your-tyres.html

Of course, all of these sources have a vested interest in selling you tyres, so you could argue ‘They would say that, wouldn’t they’. But on the other hand, they do a decent level of expertise with their products.


On the other hand, this scientific study on the effect of aging, is manufacturer independent, and suggests that 'The study implied that age did have effects on safety performance of the tyres and significant difference in terms of safety performance was observed between 'Marked' and 'Non-marked' tyres.' and that quality tyres should be replaced every 7 years.

https://jsaem.my/journal/article/view/141

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Toyo Proxies were my choice on the previous Roadster and I know another Plus 8 owner who uses them to do epic mileages on European trips


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The process of replacing the tyres has begun, proxies ordered.

However I’m still still somewhat unconvinced by the reasons why and here’s my (unscientific) reasoning

If the tyre age was so important then surely it should be an MOT fail point. I’ve never seen tyre age mentioned even on some of my classic that have had very old tyres fitted when bought.

If tyres have a definitive useful life then that should be pointed out at the point of sale ( eg, tyres fitted have 112 months of useful life). I’ve bought new tyres that were manufactured a year previously.

There’s no information about how much 10 year old tyres may have deteriorated (guess that’s incalculable given the variables) and so is it a blanket guide to cover the manufacturers backs.

Finally I took a pal out a week or two ago, he’s a classic race car driver thinking of buying a Morgan. He was very impressed buy the ride, handling, comfort, grip and braking, we discussed the tyres and it was he who spotted the slight steering shimmy (I’d just got used to,it I suppose) but otherwise couldn’t feel any other tyre related issues.

To finish, tyres will be replaced soon but I’m still unsure why

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I have no scientific base other than in my experience and I have replaced on Morgans two sets of original tyres that were over 10 years old with plenty of tread left, in one instance had only done just under 5k miles on my Roadster. What I felt immediately was a change in the compliance of the suspension, the new softer sidewall coped more easily in absorbing ruts etc and secondly and most importantly (using the same tyre manufacturers as originally fitted to the cars) a major step change in the wet handling of the both cars, The cars were very much less prone to slipping and sliding on wet surfaces.

As I said a subjective experience, not founded on trying to convince myself I had done the right thing by changing the tyres, but a distinct improvement in compliance and wet handling on both Morgans..

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Like you John, I replaced the tyres on my previous Plus 8 as they were approx 10 years old. They felt hard and there was no compliance in the sidewalls. Changed them for Avons and the improvement was massive. However the plus 4 tyres are still super soft and very compliant.


I am going to change them when they get the proxies in (a week or so they estimate) but I don’t expect to notice any improvement


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