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.you experience your world around more, you smell the fields etc, etc. And those roadside bacon butty vans  Yes, unfortunately if I have a certain passenger, I usually have to roll on by.......
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My humble 2 cents. Spencer, you made a very nice video with and for MMC. It had something unifying - for all Morgan models past and present, and for all Morgan drivers past and present. It wasn't an elevation of the CX model over a Trad, no difference between 1950 and 2024, it was the core values of the Morgan experience that I also experience in my 4/4 in the same way when I drive past farms in the Eifel or lavender fields in the south of France. Morgan wanted to bridge the gap and present the new CX models as authentic Morgan in a timeline that gives us stories, experiences, heritage and tradition in the best sense of the word, and as a Morgan has always been able to do. This was very well done, and you as a relatively young driver in the middle of life was very believable and rejuvenating for the brand's target audience. Your enthusiasm for the new model, which you express here in a post, with the trunk is very infectious and palpable in the same way. The only thing I feel is perhaps a little unfortunate is that you single out the future model in a polarizing comparison to all previous models. I'm not sure if you mean the CX models as well when you say they are held together by chewing gum and good prayers. But that's not so important. It's a bit at odds with the idea that it's the stories that will stay. It's nice if each new future model can be seen as a continuity of the core values and doesn't have to gloss over in polarization to all previous Morgan models. I don't think you win new customers by saying, “Hey sorry, we're doing everything differently from now on, forget yesterday's BS”. But I think you were just very impressed and enthusiastic about the innovative appearance of the new model and you were lost for better words. No offense intended. Hi Heinz, I share your thoughts. But where can I find the video in which Spencer says the things about the chewing gum, etc. I've seen and heard his first vid, heard t over again and it's not in there. There were vids with CX Morgans through Yorkshire, I cannot remember hearing those things. The last things I can remember he said was that his Nitron-upgraded PlusFour was a nicer Morgan than the PlusSix he used as a loaner. And recently, suddenly he is selling it because there is another, I think Morgan, on the way? So what is going on? Anybody knows? No objection if Spencer answers this if he reads is, it is not meant as on offense. But where is the logic in all these things. It leaves me puzzled. I always say, if somebody doesn't understand how things go, think about money - sex - power. But that doesn't help me now. Money?
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Ruut ...The chewing gum reference was in his post on here highlighting the new car.
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Hi Ruut, that wasn't a video, Spencer wrote it here in a post in this thread. As I said, it may have been a bit unfortunately worded, but it certainly wasn't malicious intent on his part. Spencer may post something about it himself.
Oh, I see K has already replied on this topic and Spencer said gum, not chewing gum.
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Now I've gone through all the posts on this thread and it appeared I just missed Spencers post. That can happen if you're not every day (but often!) on TM. I got his message about selling his PlusFour via Instagram. So a Pinnacle seemed less logic regarding his comments on the PlusSix in comparison with the PlusFour. It becomes the "New Morgan", thus with a boot, of which we already could read some comments from viewers, who dare not say anything more than that it is really fantastic. I really hope so for MMC because they need to sell and make a profit. And yes, many times said, I too have some feelings about the attribution to the older Morgans, be it trads or CX's or Aero's, whatsoever. I had a weak spot for Morgans since I was a kid, and I was in the lucky position buying my first Morgan, the 4/4 4-seater before the age of 40, and just recently also a PlusFour. Different, but both Morgans, and I kept the old one, which became a member of the family. As things happen with Morgans. I do hope that the new Morgan will continue in the Morgan tradition, time will tell. The Morgan community is very important and for many people is part of their Morgan experience. I hope that will be the case for the newest model too! There are always people in the Morgan community who have their opinions about "real" Morgans. With ore without carbs? Wooden frame or not? Aero or CX excluded. Fortunately the Morgan Sports Car Club Holland is there for every! Morgan. That must include the newest generations in my opinion.
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I would be interested to know how many of the CX buyers are completely new to the brand and how many are trad or repeat buyers. The number (very similar to trads) of really low mileage one owner CX's that come on the market (age profile of the owner would be interesting) and if on some form of finance, do they at the end of the 2/3 year period, repeat buy another CX. That's the type of brand loyalty that Morgan needs to create, as I would think the size of the potential Morgan market at the current price points is not that great. and its much easy to sell to the converted than try a convert someone to the brand. . I can't say how many new CX buyers have come to the Morgan brand. But I am one. I came to Morgan because my wife really wanted a classic car. To make a story short, we test drove a 4/4, a Plus 4 and a Roadster at a Morgan dealer. None of them were for me. I just really liked the shape. The salesman was then clever enough to offer me a new PlusFour to test drive. And that was exactly my vehicle. It looked like a classic car, new technology and acceptable comfort. I have a lot to do with the automotive industry and its suppliers. So I was familiar with the Morgen brand. What I didn't know was that Morgan still exists and still builds cars. I've said it here before ... the market for 1,000 cars a year is there, even in the price range. The living Morgan brand and its products need to be publicized. That is a marketing task. And that's where Spencer comes in. That's what Morgan did cleverly. I've always admired the great photos he's posted here and on Instagram. I'm sure that's how Morgan became aware of him and the marketing department worked with him to create the very successful video. They use a very satisfied customer as an ambassador for the brand and the products. For me, this is definitely more coherent than the path Jaguar is currently taking.
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I would be interested to know how many of the CX buyers are completely new to the brand and how many are trad or repeat buyers. The number (very similar to trads) of really low mileage one owner CX's that come on the market (age profile of the owner would be interesting) and if on some form of finance, do they at the end of the 2/3 year period, repeat buy another CX. That's the type of brand loyalty that Morgan needs to create, as I would think the size of the potential Morgan market at the current price points is not that great. and its much easy to sell to the converted than try a convert someone to the brand. . I can't say how many new CX buyers have come to the Morgan brand. But I am one. I came to Morgan because my wife really wanted a classic car. To make a story short, we test drove a 4/4, a Plus 4 and a Roadster at a Morgan dealer. None of them were for me. I just really liked the shape. The salesman was then clever enough to offer me a new PlusFour to test drive. And that was exactly my vehicle. It looked like a classic car, new technology and acceptable comfort. I have a lot to do with the automotive industry and its suppliers. So I was familiar with the Morgen brand. What I didn't know was that Morgan still exists and still builds cars. I've said it here before ... the market for 1,000 cars a year is there, even in the price range. The living Morgan brand and its products need to be publicized. That is a marketing task. And that's where Spencer comes in. That's what Morgan did cleverly. I've always admired the great photos he's posted here and on Instagram. I'm sure that's how Morgan became aware of him and the marketing department worked with him to create the very successful video. They use a very satisfied customer as an ambassador for the brand and the products. For me, this is definitely more coherent than the path Jaguar is currently taking. I think you're right, Clemens!
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Hi Clemens,
Thanks for taking the time to explain how you came into Morgan ownership. When I first got a Morgan in the 80's it was an entirely different world, ten year plus waiting list, small independent dealerships, full of often larger than life characters and real enthusiasts for the brand, very little second hand stock and no new cars unless waiting for collection. How the world has moved on since.
I'm sure for many on here the progress Morgan has made over the years is very welcomed, but may have passed them by as the core values and attributes that first attracted them to the brand and their cars has been slightly lost in translation with the newer cars. Understandable, nothing stands still.
Having said that I doubt I would want my daily driver car be it Ford, Vauxhall, Mercedes from the 80's, as my daily driver today, The advancements made have often improved the overall reliability of the car, made them less maintenance and hands on intensive and many of the drivers aids such as ABS, traction control, vented discs, wider tyres, sat nav, improved crash protection etc have made them much easier to drive, quieter, more safer cars, a plus as far as I'm concerned but not everyone would agree. But I've always focused on enjoying driving the car and its dynamics, without messing around with the oilly bits, which others may enjoy.
From memory my 1980 TR7 required an oil change every 3000 miles which was 4 or 5 times a year with my mileage back then, my 1986 Mercedes SL 420 required a six monthly service. Thank goodness those requirements are now long gone with modern cars.
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John, I understand your point of view but I would also like to take up the cudgels for slightly older cars in terms of reliability. We have a Mercedes W124 220CE from 1992/93 and a Mercedes E W212 estate 250 CGI. I know that you know them all and have had them yourself, the 220CE has 280000 km and the W212 now has 200,000 km, our family car. The W212 has never let us down, but the maintenance was much more expensive, these downsized turbo direct injection engines never have the life expectancy of a naturally aspirated engine from the 90s. The 30-year-old 220CE needs an average of 8 to 9 liters of petrol, which is 1.5 liters less than the downsized W212, ok, it has 60 hp more. But I believe that there was a zenith in quality and reliability at Mercedes that will never be reached again, and that was the W124.
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