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Yes I'll take some of that as a maybe for Political fickleness.

As I have said before, if some of or indeed all of this deflective retarded thinking (other views are available) does come to pass we would put into practise some of my research and ship the Plus 8 and maybe the Defender 525 (oh it's love alright) if I get this passed sometime soon + not forgetting her Polo Rocket either.

Relocate or buy some where small overseas just as a toy repositoryfor looong holidays , sounds good to me.

Her good self has a deep rooted love of wringing the neck of anything she drives when the mood takes her, 25mpg from her turbo 1.8 GTI is her normal return, I say nothing as I don't want to put her off enjoying it.

As good as the CX's are (for a Morgan) they've lost the 'Morgan-ness', the something, the je ne sais quoi........... (IMHO)

As is said often on here, the sports car market has changed dramatically in what seems like a very short space of time.
Motoring, just for the hell of it is tricky in large parts of the country because of the roads/traffic/speed enforcement etc etc....

200mph supercars are totally pointless, low speed quirky FUN is the way forward.....

I think that trad values will firm up as CX's become more troublesome and complicated to work on.
The CX pricing will deter the target market which will gradually diminish.
The Italians will tire of it's it's loss making money pit in Malvern, the factory will go back to some form of low cost sports car after a management and crowd funded buyout.

***** just my thoughts for the next 3-5 years......😆

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Richard,

Relocation may well happen to us much sooner than we think, and for slightly different reasons. a recent report just published has identified 20 odd coastal locations that are at risk of serious flooding by 2030 only 5 years away and flooding prediction accelerated from the original projection of 2050, In the NW they list Morecambe, Fleetwood, Southport all just up and down the coast from us, and the highlighted map does show us in red with the others at risk although we don't get a specific mention.

Maybe we shouldn't have bothered currently spending £50k on the roof, chimneys, guttering, fascia boards etc .the months of work is nearly finished, but at least it will look nice when we sell it.

I normally do not comment in this section as we sold our 3.7 Roadster for a Plus Six.. What I will say is yes, our Plus Six has been unreliable, however we have stuck with it fixing the issues, because we like the car, it still is a Morgan made in the Morgan factory. It still gives us fun drives.

The engine is complicated, but is its engine more complicated that the Trad Ford V6 Roadster engines??? maybe not. They both have a similar ( ECU ) type engine management system. Maybe BMW's use of rotary valves in its cooling system gives an added level of complication, but this was only undertaken to achieve the cleaner burn enviromental requirements that is now required. . Regarding the rest of the car, yes it has an alloy structure rather than a steel chassis.. but having worked on both the Roadster and the Plus Six in many ways its mind set of build is similar to the older generation car. The only major area that lets the car down at the moment is the radiator issues.. which still do not look resolved after almost 5 years.

It seems to be agreed that the CX cars handle better than the older steel chassis cars.. but they do not give a Rolls level of comfort. The CX cars still feel like a sports car, a little rough on the edges sometimes depending on road surface..
We can not see us selling the car unless the radiator issues finally get us down..

We would take it with us if we changed our home location... As per Richards comments we have also been looking at areas ( countries ) where its a little warmer and maybe also achieve a " golden visa" for residence with the purchase of a house... IMHO this country is in a right mess, it needs major changes in a lot of directions, which I doubt could be undertaken in my lifespan.. hence why we are thinking of relocation. I always thought of the UK as home from home and was proud that I was British, but I dont feel these vibes now.. for me thats very very sad.
dave

I'm not really qualified to comment as I've never had a trad, coming in late last year with a CX. I've long wanted a Morgan, but never got round to it. In some ways I wish I had started with a trad, I "looked" at quite a few online, but each time I looked my price point went up to the stage where I could afford a recent low mileage Plus Six. It's not been without issues, but I love it (I'm now emotionally attached to it) and it would take a lot to let it go ... in any event my daughter wants me to leave it to her in my Will

Whatever it takes to keep MMC alive, I'm all for it.

For us, the 4/4 is a simple but beautiful and exciting vehicle, like a time machine. For more ‘modern’ driving with lots of dynamics, I have had my 245 hp Elise for 18 years. I think that covers everything for me. That's just me, but I don't need a Morgan that's becoming more and more like an Elise in terms of handling. Everyone can make their own choice. Back to the topic at hand, I don't care what our 11-year-old 4/4 is worth. A new Fiat 500 with a folding roof now costs over €32,000. I would only lose out if I sold the 4/4.

Think I spotted you in the distance at one stage Dave

My 4/4 has served me well during the 14 years of ownership and over 80k miles at the wheel. Its still 100% reliable - starts at the first turn of the key and feels like new to drive. Speaking to a friend who enjoyes an MGA from the 1950s the slump in prices is across the board, as much as 30% off from values three or four years ago.

My local Morgan agent says business at present is "dire". But this slump reflects a general sentiment across the UK. Something to do with deep conflicts around the wider world perhaps, many too dreadfull to think about. There was a time I might have wanted to recover the "wasting asset" before the mileage crept too far along the path towards depreciation, but today think that I shall enjoy her up until the bath-chair phase.

Just a bit of a heads up if your warmer climes was going to be Spain as they have now discontinued the Golden Visa. The Non Lucrative Visa is fairly straightforward to get if gainful employment is not required.

We were thinking a lot about Greece... the islands are out now because the property purchase price to achieve the golden visa status is way high.. its doable if we sell up over here though.. Mainland Greece is still possible, just takes a fair bit of research.. Buying property in the countryside can be tricky ref the original ownership/paperwork..