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John, much depends on how long one`s teeth may be in terms of Morgan involvement.. In my case I became interested in possible Morgan ownership in the mid 90`s and coincidentally found access to the internet (dial up) which I then searched for Morgan related info, fortunately for me the MSCC had just decided to create their forum, which I joined, and through that forum by asking the question "which Morgan" Lorne along with Spanner Juggler and many others had answers to every question I could think to ask.... Lorne also linked me into Autox which had a US based Morgan forum, and in time Lorne created eMog, as it seemed the MSCC were desirous of backing out of hosting a forum where too many awkward questions might be asked..? Apparently the interweb was a bit wild West and in time there were...err...disagreements, and eMog was closed down....I remember the OZ folk had a go along with UK to set up the Naughty Boys Club forum, which I joined, thus quite some time prior to TM there had been a great deal of Morgan related chat going on for quite a few years...

According to some it was mostly the US market that kept Morgan in business through the hard times of the sixties, a time when it seems likely that most Morgan enthusiasts were physically engaged with spanners and hammers and "improving" their Morgan`s themselves and as they matured perhaps became more..err..rotund, thus their desires for their Morgan modifactios entered a new phase, softer springing, wider doors to improve access and egress. Move on a decade or do and the toolkits of many now supported spiders webs, and Morgan desires were evolving blingwards, with fancy trim, even air con, and auto boxes all found to be keeping pace with the "progress" of ever evolving desires and expectations....

As for the market.... it does seem as baby boomer such as I loose our grip on the perch, those who once greatly valued Morgans and their evolutionary processes seem bound to diminish in number with an obvious knock on effect...? There are loads of vids out there which seem to suggest my thinking may not be too out of touch...?

Only one Morgan in this vid, and it is a soft top Aero.... Though if you watch it the price paid for the 3.2 Carrera barn find suggests that some Porsches seem to be going up against expectations of some...?


..https://youtu.be/3TAfPpJ415A?si=AqbVdwISjaUTHCGe

Perhaps........... the dealers have to go.......or at least the big glass showroom types.......maybe the smaller Mom and Pop outfits will be the only ones with overheads small enough to ride the storm....?

SOR prices will be dictated by, what the owner would like to see returned + some haggling room + the dealers margin. When there is no market a degree of common sense has to be adopted by all parties.

I'm sticking by my prediction that CX's will continue to devalue and Trad prices will stabilise and firm up........but....... the values of old are gone forever.....!🤷🏻‍♂️

Sewin, you're right, Peter and Charles M new the market, perhaps it's changed a bit since their day, but the market that the Italians are after doesn't exist, certainly not in the numbers to make it all work.
If......... things were 'normal' they might have a chance, but the're not and they don't.

I hadn't thought about the complexity of CX's to fix or repair after an accident, but you're right, they'll probably go the same way as electric cars being written off for small amounts of damage due to being uneconomic to repair........

I accept that 'something' had to be done to comply with whatever nonsense the EU and the net zero zealots impose on the motor industry, but for a small quirky niche outfit like Morgan to try and mix it with the huge multi million pound/euro car manufacturers is....optimistic.......................😆

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Don't forget to scrap all that aluminium they've put underneath them, tidy profit there then you can put a proper chassis back!

That's exactly what I plan to do now. With good care, of course, and not on salted roads. When I'm lowered into the grave, the Moggie must have at least 300,000 kilometers on the clock.

4/4 Sport Birthday present for our ... an absolute wonderful buying experience

They are his initials on a MOG plate too,,,

I would tackle the other end of the market.

I would look at fitting better front and rear suspension to the trad, to improve ride and remove need to grease kingpins ( a bit archaic) and simplify some of the wiring/electronics to improve reliability or hold stock of PCB 's etc and you would have a very good basis for simple and rewarding Morganeering

Luddite,

There are some cars that always seem to dodge the depths of the cyclical valuation dip and somehow manage to maintain and enjoy step changes in value, air cooled Porsche 911, Mercedes Pagoda SL's and Mercedes 280SE Cabriolets to mention a few. They just seem to be untouched by the fall from grace for so many other cars of that era.

Thanks for taking the time to reply John, it would seem that in the case of air cooled 911`s that the young and investors alike seem to have become attracted to them even though I doubt that the 20-30 year olds of today had a pic of them on their bedroom wall..... From the point of the young, up to the 3.2 being non digital, simple suspension, no ABS, no power steering they would be simpler to run and maintain, a bit like the difference between a pre EFI trad up to the mid 80`s and later models...though the market does not seem to think so in terms of Morgans.. Shrug

The 911 thing is hard to define, when even Ferrari`s struggle to sell, I guess the complexity and cost of maintenance issues relative to Ferrari will ever be a consideration, whereas by comparison air cooled 911`s were by comparison, generally thought of as bullet proof...? Which again if one is into adjusting one`s tax situation via creating a car collection to pass on in time, then for many of the same reasons an air cooled 911 would seem more attractive than most...?

I suspect the fast Ford market perhaps has ten years yet to run..

Will try again to post the link to a current market evaluation by a couple of guys who seem tuned into the current situation...?

Nope! ... leave them be 🙂 ... the charm of Morgans is their anachronism ... we have 'Restomods' ....but think 'Retromod' ... taking future unloved and overcomplicated CXs and giving them rubber mats, basic bucket seats, narrow wires, re-engineered fold-down screen and aeros ... and a decently tuned crossflow with a type 9 five-speed ... ditch all the electronics as now surplus and end up with a lovely balanced and sustainable car to last a lifetime or two and a proper engaging driving experience to boot. We can but dream! 😆

K

The MMC "forced" many of the smaller traditional dealers out of the fold long before the Italians came on the scene. Charles was still in the picture at the time as I recall.