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I just did Google it and it says “Torx 55 (T55) fitting will not work properly with a standard Allen key (hex key). While you might find a hex key that fits loosely into the hole, the star-shaped T55 requires a matching 6-lobe tool to transfer torque without damaging the bolt” Then again what would I know, I’m no mechanic either (sigh) I got a different answer, Craig. But why don't we buy both, my treat, and you try. I will need your address. Send it to lg@ guess where I and a growing group of others over the last 30 years merely have the experience. Use the long end of the Allen key to reach the plug and then turn the short end with some vice-grips or a spanner circle end. Those plugs are not torqued much. Lorne P.S. Craig, what R380 Morgan do you have, and do you have the little access door circlet in the gearbox cover? The tool isn’t expensive, so there’s really no excuse for bodging it or trying to teach others bad habits. If folk can’t be bothered to use the correct tool, they should stay away from the job and leave it to a mechanic.
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Perhaps we should rename this thread Morgan Professionals & Morgan Hobbyist Owners. 😂😂 Good point Bruce! I gather you've had experience! Did your filler plug seize? Tell us more. Never happened to me but I am careful with torquing, since the early days when I stripped and broke everything I touched. (wryly) I finally learned that if it is not something is not tightened sufficiently, it can always be tightened more while overtightening has far more severe consequences.  Here is your solution £14 worth of tooling to solve the factories failure to provide an inspection cover in the tunnel. No that won't help Laurie  Laurie's problem is one of ACCESS, not which tool to use. Your torx tool won't reach the plug any better than an Allen key. [b ]Why not show Talk Morgan one next to an Allen key?[/b] Of course, even vice-grips would be better with the earlier square filler plug in a case of bad access. BTW are you suggesting you WOULD NOT cut the missing access panel? It might interest you to know that my article on such things comes from myself but with images from prominent dealers, pictures from their own Morgans. https://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/GearCoverTweak.html These gearbox covers are exceedingly silly..badly designed and a result of design history gone astray. As a fellow engineer albeit it another area you also appreciate the need for using the correct fitting tool for the job, the slide into bodging country is not an area we are used to. I am certainly not an automobile "engineer", even in the British sense of the word. I leave such things to you fellows. I am merely a Morgan amateur owner who does his own work (not much choice for most moggers in the world). I have done this plug with an Allen key so many times..and so have amateur others .(now 7 more and counting since your first post on this subject). If you want me to accept your expert advice and that will relax you..I will do so, while quietly continuing as experience dictates and without wasting more time once every 2-3 years. If someone wants to end this discussion as it relates to their R380 Morgan, merely buy the earlier £3 LT77 filler plug as I suggest above? And I am telling you that an Allen key has worked for me many time on three R380 Mogs for the last 25 years. If I followed your advice I would still be roadside in Belgium. PLEASE test the Allen key so we can end this. BTW, from a overall perception, you make a extremely valuable observation. Amateur Morgan owners are not professional engineers. they do not often possess a fully equipped professional garage (10s of 1000s in tools) with a choice of lifts. I certainly don't. And Craig does not own a R380? That certainly doesn't make his comments any less valuable. It merely limits Craig's experience with these models. (shrug) Everyone's comments are valuable, especially the people who ask questions, the shy ones. They have the best questions and wrongly hesitate to ask them. Yet I have found that professionals, in any field, are often restricted by their training. Amateur eMog was often able to assist the Factory and help in development. Professionals do things one way. Try that roadside 60km from Brindisi.😂 Amateurs merely look for things that work that they have on hand. That is called free thinking. And after all, WE drive the cars. BTW I communicate with Morgan professionals daily. Love them. I am thrilled at the prices they can now charge. We all took so much advantage of them for so long! is why Talkmorgan thrives and others have withered on the vine, Actually, eMog had MANY multiples of the traffic of this forum or all forums put together. It was too much for me. I had to close it. I admire Simon. iThere is only one question Lorne needs to ask and that is why the TORX were invented, he will then realize why the Allen is inappropriate as a bodge fit from an engineering integrity not legal perspective🏴🙏 I gather you feel you feel that the successful use of an Allen key or the earlier LT77 plug is heretical blasphemy.  I just care that something works and causes no damage I will make you a deal. I will When back in Canada, I will buy the correct TORX tool on the condition that you try an Allen key. (It won't bite you) Takes only a second.  . Stay well all of you and just get the job done hey 😎🏴🏄♂️🏖it’s an oil change not giving birth🤣 I second that! Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Lorne P.S. +8 Rich? Which dealers or shops to you and Craig work with?
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Perhaps we should rename this thread Morgan Professionals & Morgan Hobbyist Owners. 😂😂 Good point Bruce! I gather you've had experience! Did your filler plug seize? Tell us more. Never happened to me but I am careful with torquing, since the early days when I stripped and broke everything I touched. (wryly) I finally learned that if it is not something is not tightened sufficiently, it can always be tightened more while overtightening has far more severe consequences. Here is your solution £14 worth of tooling to solve the factories failure to provide an inspection cover in the tunnel. No that won't help Laurie Laurie's problem is one of ACCESS, not which tool to use. Your torx tool won't reach the plug any better than an Allen key. [b ]Why not show Talk Morgan one next to an Allen key?[/b] Of course, even vice-grips would be better with the earlier square filler plug in a case of bad access. BTW are you suggesting you WOULD NOT cut the missing access panel? It might interest you to know that my article on such things comes from myself but with images from prominent dealers, pictures from their own Morgans. https://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/GearCoverTweak.html These gearbox covers are exceedingly silly..badly designed and a result of design history gone astray. As a fellow engineer albeit it another area you also appreciate the need for using the correct fitting tool for the job, the slide into bodging country is not an area we are used to. I am certainly not an automobile "engineer", even in the British sense of the word. I leave such things to you fellows. I am merely a Morgan amateur owner who does his own work (not much choice for most moggers in the world). I have done this plug with an Allen key so many times..and so have amateur others .(now 7 more and counting since your first post on this subject). If you want me to accept your expert advice and that will relax you..I will do so, while quietly continuing as experience dictates and without wasting more time once every 2-3 years. If someone wants to end this discussion as it relates to their R380 Morgan, merely buy the earlier £3 LT77 filler plug as I suggest above? And I am telling you that an Allen key has worked for me many time on three R380 Mogs for the last 25 years. If I followed your advice I would still be roadside in Belgium. PLEASE test the Allen key so we can end this. BTW, from a overall perception, you make a extremely valuable observation. Amateur Morgan owners are not professional engineers. they do not often possess a fully equipped professional garage (10s of 1000s in tools) with a choice of lifts. I certainly don't. And Craig does not own a R380? That certainly doesn't make his comments any less valuable. It merely limits Craig's experience with these models. (shrug) Everyone's comments are valuable, especially the people who ask questions, the shy ones. They have the best questions and wrongly hesitate to ask them. Yet I have found that professionals, in any field, are often restricted by their training. Amateur eMog was often able to assist the Factory and help in development. Professionals do things one way. Try that roadside 60km from Brindisi.😂 Amateurs merely look for things that work that they have on hand. That is called free thinking. And after all, WE drive the cars. BTW I communicate with Morgan professionals daily. Love them. I am thrilled at the prices they can now charge. We all took so much advantage of them for so long! is why Talkmorgan thrives and others have withered on the vine, Actually, eMog had MANY multiples of the traffic of this forum or all forums put together. It was too much for me. I had to close it. I admire Simon. iThere is only one question Lorne needs to ask and that is why the TORX were invented, he will then realize why the Allen is inappropriate as a bodge fit from an engineering integrity not legal perspective🏴🙏 I gather you feel you feel that the successful use of an Allen key or the earlier LT77 plug is heretical blasphemy. I just care that something works and causes no damage I will make you a deal. I will When back in Canada, I will buy the correct TORX tool on the condition that you try an Allen key. (It won't bite you) Takes only a second. . Stay well all of you and just get the job done hey 😎🏴🏄♂️🏖it’s an oil change not giving birth🤣 I second that! Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Lorne P.S. +8 Rich? Which dealers or shops to you and Craig work with? I have never had a dealer do any work on my car as I am a profesional engineer and like the reassurance that comes with that and will certainly not be bodging around my R380 with an Allen key. Craig of course comes with all his own valid opinions having owned and run the most pristine 4/4 Sport ever, Henry and team helped Craig on his journey to greatness. P.S. Absolutely WRONG about access for Laurie and the use of the cranked TORX55 as that is all I use on my own Plus 8 annualy, oil is cheap .
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Perhaps we should rename this thread Morgan Professionals & Morgan Hobbyist Owners.
Lorne
P.S. +8 Rich? Which dealers or shops to you and Craig work with? “Not the kind you’d recommend, clearly.”
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Perhaps we should rename this thread Morgan Professionals & Morgan Hobbyist Owners. 😂😂 Good point Bruce! I gather you've had experience! Did your filler plug seize? Tell us more. Never happened to me but I am careful with torquing, since the early days when I stripped and broke everything I touched. (wryly) I finally learned that if it is not something is not tightened sufficiently, it can always be tightened more while overtightening has far more severe consequences. Here is your solution £14 worth of tooling to solve the factories failure to provide an inspection cover in the tunnel. No that won't help Laurie Laurie's problem is one of ACCESS, not which tool to use. Your torx tool won't reach the plug any better than an Allen key. [b ]Why not show Talk Morgan one next to an Allen key?[/b] Of course, even vice-grips would be better with the earlier square filler plug in a case of bad access. BTW are you suggesting you WOULD NOT cut the missing access panel? It might interest you to know that my article on such things comes from myself but with images from prominent dealers, pictures from their own Morgans. https://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/GearCoverTweak.html These gearbox covers are exceedingly silly..badly designed and a result of design history gone astray. As a fellow engineer albeit it another area you also appreciate the need for using the correct fitting tool for the job, the slide into bodging country is not an area we are used to. I am certainly not an automobile "engineer", even in the British sense of the word. I leave such things to you fellows. I am merely a Morgan amateur owner who does his own work (not much choice for most moggers in the world). I have done this plug with an Allen key so many times..and so have amateur others .(now 7 more and counting since your first post on this subject). If you want me to accept your expert advice and that will relax you..I will do so, while quietly continuing as experience dictates and without wasting more time once every 2-3 years. If someone wants to end this discussion as it relates to their R380 Morgan, merely buy the earlier £3 LT77 filler plug as I suggest above? And I am telling you that an Allen key has worked for me many time on three R380 Mogs for the last 25 years. If I followed your advice I would still be roadside in Belgium. PLEASE test the Allen key so we can end this. BTW, from a overall perception, you make a extremely valuable observation. Amateur Morgan owners are not professional engineers. they do not often possess a fully equipped professional garage (10s of 1000s in tools) with a choice of lifts. I certainly don't. And Craig does not own a R380? That certainly doesn't make his comments any less valuable. It merely limits Craig's experience with these models. (shrug) Everyone's comments are valuable, especially the people who ask questions, the shy ones. They have the best questions and wrongly hesitate to ask them. Yet I have found that professionals, in any field, are often restricted by their training. Amateur eMog was often able to assist the Factory and help in development. Professionals do things one way. Try that roadside 60km from Brindisi.😂 Amateurs merely look for things that work that they have on hand. That is called free thinking. And after all, WE drive the cars. BTW I communicate with Morgan professionals daily. Love them. I am thrilled at the prices they can now charge. We all took so much advantage of them for so long! is why Talkmorgan thrives and others have withered on the vine, Actually, eMog had MANY multiples of the traffic of this forum or all forums put together. It was too much for me. I had to close it. I admire Simon. iThere is only one question Lorne needs to ask and that is why the TORX were invented, he will then realize why the Allen is inappropriate as a bodge fit from an engineering integrity not legal perspective🏴🙏 I gather you feel you feel that the successful use of an Allen key or the earlier LT77 plug is heretical blasphemy. I just care that something works and causes no damage I will make you a deal. I will When back in Canada, I will buy the correct TORX tool on the condition that you try an Allen key. (It won't bite you) Takes only a second. . Stay well all of you and just get the job done hey 😎🏴🏄♂️🏖it’s an oil change not giving birth🤣 I second that! Thank you for your contribution to this thread. Lorne P.S. +8 Rich? Which dealers or shops to you and Craig work with? I have never had a dealer do any work on my car as I am a profesional engineer and like the reassurance that comes with that and will certainly not be bodging around my R380 with an Allen key. Craig of course comes with all his own valid opinions having owned and run the most pristine 4/4 Sport ever, Henry and team helped Craig on his journey to greatness. P.S. Absolutely WRONG about access for Laurie and the use of the cranked TORX55 as that is all I use on my own Plus 8 annualy, oil is cheap . I’m only posting out of DEVILMENT to see how many quotes and requotes it’s possible to have, !,,,!!_$$$§¥ I’m afraid I don’t know how th change the text colour to highlight my point, capitals and exclamations is about my limit.
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Thank you for participating in this thread. Craig.Lorne P.S. +8 Rich? Which dealers or shops to you and Craig work with? “Not the kind you’d recommend, clearly.” I have inserted a link on the GoMoG article leading to this discussion and your comments and those of +8Rich. Owners should know everything we can offer them. https://www.gomog.com/allmorgan/seals.htm#casingI count many dealers and shops as friends for decades and speak with one or another daily. Great bunch in the UK! Lorne
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I was advised of this thread by 600 people who emailed me , but was prevented from responding as I was already helping 72 people with their gearbox oil changes. I agree with everything that has been written and n ot been writtenIt is always good to see collegiate discussion taking place about Morgans. I would tell you a very long and unrelated story of when my Grandad used to make Morgans and once coughed his false teeth into a cesspit but I'm sure you've all stopped reading by now 
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I don’t like thinking too much, I’ll just leave the gearbox till it blows up.
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I was advised of this thread by 600 people who emailed me , but was prevented from responding as I was already helping 72 people with their gearbox oil changes. I agree with everything that has been written and n ot been writtenIt is always good to see collegiate discussion taking place about Morgans. I would tell you a very long and unrelated story of when my Grandad used to make Morgans and once coughed his false teeth into a cesspit but I'm sure you've all stopped reading by now I don’t like thinking too much, I’ll just leave the gearbox till it blows up. Gentlemen you are beyond priceless in this increasingly grey world, keep giving please 🤣😎🙏🇬🇧 There managed without a highlight Ewan 🙃👀
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This is so much fun, I've made a donation to TalkMorgan in recompense. To add my 2p here, I'd just observe that one hardly needs a geabox at all with a plus 8.,,, As an aside, such discussions will no doubt be redundant (and the world I worse place, if that is possible) as the AI systems take over: https://chatgpt.com/share/69be5cf3-3d8c-8009-bdfc-b288d83121ca
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