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Thanks for all the suggestions guys, I know what I should do and that's get an auto electician to check it out....... But, I'll try a bit of sleuthing first  I just know I'm gunna regret this   Neil.
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No need to say, cut the battery before you work on the starter motor. It is very high intensity current and can be a serious hazard
As said in other posts, clean the battrey connections, clean the solenoid connection and the earth band going to the chassis rails and engine
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here is my 2 pence worth, i see many have suggested Selenoid, but i think they may be wrong and your RAC man wrong too, a clicking generally means power OK to selenoid Thats the Plate in it swiching over to contact, Starter sounds Jammed, if the car started second time around its more than lightly because the starter has been turned, the Flywheel can come to rest in three different places and leave the starter in a different position, therefore a good connection can be made intermitently, may i suggest (if possible) you get some one to turn the key to crank, and hold it if the starter doesnt start cranking the engine, get the shaft of a hammer (wood) and tap the body of the starter, if she fires the car up, id plumb for recon starter, but they would overhaul Selenoid with it any way.
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No need to say, cut the battery before you work on the starter motor. It is very high intensity current and can be a serious hazard
As said in other posts, clean the battrey connections, clean the solenoid connection and the earth band going to the chassis rails and engine Great advice.....thanks! All easy to do and may just solve problem. Neil.
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here is my 2 pence worth, i see many have suggested Selenoid, but i think they may be wrong and your RAC man wrong too, a clicking generally means power OK to selenoid Thats the Plate in it swiching over to contact, Starter sounds Jammed, if the car started second time around its more than lightly because the starter has been turned, the Flywheel can come to rest in three different places and leave the starter in a different position, therefore a good connection can be made intermitently, may i suggest (if possible) you get some one to turn the key to crank, and hold it if the starter doesnt start cranking the engine, get the shaft of a hammer (wood) and tap the body of the starter, if she fires the car up, id plumb for recon starter, but they would overhaul Selenoid with it any way. My knowledge is hazy here but if the starter motor was jammed, wouldn't that have prevented a push start? Or can the starter jam in a position where it is not engaging the flywheel? 
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Pre-engaged starter?
Turning key to start position firstly throws the solenoid across, engaging starter pinion with the toothed ring on the flywheel. At the same time the solenoid is throwing in the starter pinion, it also provides a connection to the starter motor which will then turn.
So, it could be a failing solenoid or starter. It could also be insufficient current capability to turn the starter when the pinion is engaged...
The only time I've had that failure (on a V8 plumbed into a SIII Land Rover, it turned out to be the starter - but I'd still check everything already suggested.
Cheers,
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I had a dead Mog last year - would not start.
It was poor earth connections.
Cleaned all connections from battery through to starter and none since.
had similar earthing issues with rear indicators and clening earths did the trick there as well.
Just a matter of lack of use and age - previous owners did low mileage and I don't think they were "hands on" types.
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Pre-engaged starter?
Turning key to start position firstly throws the solenoid across, engaging starter pinion with the toothed ring on the flywheel. At the same time the solenoid is throwing in the starter pinion, it also provides a connection to the starter motor which will then turn.
So, it could be a failing solenoid or starter. It could also be insufficient current capability to turn the starter when the pinion is engaged...
The only time I've had that failure (on a V8 plumbed into a SIII Land Rover, it turned out to be the starter - but I'd still check everything already suggested.
Cheers, Thanks Graham, I'm filing all this knowledge away on the hard drive!  Neil.
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I had a dead Mog last year - would not start.
It was poor earth connections.
Cleaned all connections from battery through to starter and none since.
had similar earthing issues with rear indicators and clening earths did the trick there as well.
Just a matter of lack of use and age - previous owners did low mileage and I don't think they were "hands on" types.
Will try all that.....thanks. Neil.
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1975 4/4 4 seater, cream over blue; Sooby Forester turbo; Bicycle; Walking poles.  I also think your favourite pair of shoes deserves to be mentioned 
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