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https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2025-morgan-supersport-3-0i

someone did not do many miles.

3 litre V6 - that's a new one on me

Interesting to see what it makes.

Any questions?
Cathal Flannery
GB
Consignment Specialist

Like any salesperson I have an inordinate hatred of their inaccuracy and bullshine, close on the heels of Estate Agents and Solicitors, they are special purguring themselves to defend the guilty.

The very reason our No2 walked away from general practise and works with charities.


Lovely colour, all it needs is a soft top and the upturned bath removing.

Think it’s been on the market for a few months now for £140kish will be interesting to see what it gets bid too, expect it is the first Supersport to go to auction.

For 140k why I ask…

A little extra and you’d get your Oak Green Metallic with your spec not a compromise of someone else’s - for that alone I can see it remaining unsold at auction, we shall see with interest where it goes.

It is sad that they can't even get the spec right

Yup the arrogance of sales and marketing people continues unbounded hot on the heels of the total bullshine and rowing back from BB following the TM challenge of last weeks airbags and truck on the rear...

Those blessed with memory will remember my "Anyone know this Aero" thread which was marketed by them without declaring the fact that one of their number crashed it heavily into the barrier on the way back from picking it up from the factory and had insurance history.

Martin saw it at BB and said it was a real mess at the time.

They don't realise what a microcosm of the Motor Industry MMC is somehow so anyone remotely interested in buying a secondhand will need a full declaration of the vehicle not some dodgy can we get away with it notes and advert.

Simply put if that is their best shot at getting it right (advert) why prey would you ever trust a car from them or their level of service as these things are inextricably linked .

Dyslexia is a fact of life and if the person tasked is chosen to construct the advert someone in management has their head up their arse, or if it is they, lower your dinghy and delligate to someone that has some level of skills in the matter.

You either care or you don't !

I think you have inadvertantly (or,dare I say, through clumsy wording) labelled yourself as a salesperson.......and speaking as a former salesperson myself, not that the occupation should carry pejorative connotations!

I am a clumsy written English person however I don't expose myself to global critisism jeopardising any expensive mostly men's toys sales - I know my limitations

There that's accurate now - loath them all.

Total thread drift and hopefully not a rant . Feel free to bypass…..
I hate to see sales people or selling in general being criticised or a scapegoat. Poor sales people should be criticised and some industries may deserve it.
This really is not about blowing my own trumpet but I’ve lived it and some aspects sadden me, like wrong info?
Selling is fundamentally exposing yourself to the risk of doing business.
Don’t go out, don’t call people, don’t make appointments and you will never sell anything.
Always tell the truth
If you cannot do something the client wants or needs, tell them why you cannot do it.
If a potential or existing client says no to a proposal, accept it having moved as close to their needs as you can.
If you say you are going to do something do it and do it to the agreed timescale . If you have a problem be honest, explain it and a client will more than likely accept it. Give them the option to make their decision to.

I was once in a multimillion buying role for an oil company . I could have been exposed to bribes but if your demeanour was fully professional that rarely happened BUT equally stupid often a sales team would present and at the end just leave the meeting, thinking their job was done and never ask ‘for an order’
My father was a wonderful businessman and his words to me were,keep going back to see the potential client and one day, they may have been let down, whatever and you will take an order.
My sole life after 15 years in the oil industry mainly in marketing roles has been about selling, marketing., People say I am a born salesman, ice to Eskimos etc but following those simple principals just came naturally .
Selling was simple Business was simple but hard . In the 35 years of design and printing my wife and I can count on one hand the number of times we missed a deadline which could have been costly as our clients were serious well know brands and companies.
The profession is not all crap….
MM

Is it surprising. This is my experience.
I no longer own the vehicle I sold it back to a certified MG dealer on 19/6/26 . Having bought it new in Jan 2025.

This was because MG UK couldn't fix a fault that started in Dec 2025 & after 4 months sat in their workshop and 7 attempts to fix it where it always failed within hours I had had enough. That cost me a loss £8,000 plus emotional stress.

The dealer then told a friend I had sold it as I was ill & unable to drive which wasn't the case & that the car was fixed which it wasn't. The dealer apologised saying the sales person was confused.

Here is what the salesman told my friend.

"Just had an interesting conversation with Ollie from ?MG , in ???, where I made an enquiry about your ‘old’car. According to him, you only sold the car as you had to give up driving altogether, due to health reasons. When I asked whether there were any issues with the vehicle, as I thought it priced quite low for the year/mileage etc., he informed me that they would never have a car for sale on their forecourt that had any problems whatsoever."

So that is why I treat anything they say with doubt.

There are exceptions to every rule

I don't understand what all the fuss is about, the only people potentially disadvantaged in this are the owners of the vehicles. I've yet to meet a car sales person who in the first place has perfect knowledge of the vehicle being sold, and if in the highly unlikely event they are, then obliged to voluntarily fully disclose.........in the same way when the dealers are purchasing or taking the vehicle in part exchange, rarely are the then current car owners, totally open as to the faults of the vehicle.they are selling/part exchanging. One in seven drivers (14%) admit to knowingly selling a car with existing mechanical or structural issues to avoid expensive repair bills.

The legal principle is 'buyer beware' known as caveat emptor, places the responsibility on the buyer to inspect and research a property or product before purchasing it. There are certain legislative safequards protecting purchasers, but beyond that it's at your risk/peril..

The purchaser has to do his due diligence...........that's why vehicle outstanding finance/ insurance write off catagories were made public information.........because less reputable seller's couldn't be relied upon to fully disclose.

And still you wonder what the fuss is about - I know John well and I can tell you young man (naive) that he has endured an horrendous journey with this heap of Chinese junk and received abysmal service..

We are all aware of the legal standpoint and what should be done but that is the whole point here - being none of that has been adhered to by the slimy salespeople in their pointy shoes and drainpipes...

It was bought expressly to assist his good lady at the time who was on an operating wait list..

Luckily I can afford the loss. The sad thing is the car itself was excellent. It only had the T box bits to get the long range battery.
I put it down to life experience.
A Porsche sales person told mme the Taycan had the same issue.
I think the car industry is now driven by IT geeks who add more and more not needed systems.

My posting was more to do with the recent Morgan adverts,


John,sorry to hear the MG issues, I'm a little surprised you couldn't just reject the car as not fit for purpose. . I've rejected 3 new cars and 1 used motorcycle over the years. I find in my experience very few dealers will fight a legal action or threat of it, if the compliant is well framed and documented.

There are civil and criminal consequences to the salesman being economical with the truth, misleading and down right lying, but few pursue them. It is unfortunately a snake oil industry.

Don't get Alistair engaged on this topic John, he has huge knowledge and hatred of them

Unfortunately……… the world now seems to be driven by these same IT geeks…….!
Everything……… everything…….. is now a thousand times more complicated/difficult/frustrating than it was just a few years ago…!!
I don’t see it all ending well…🤦🏻‍♂️

🇬🇧🇬🇧

I do wonder what the future has in store if there is indeed a chance of power outages as some predict given how ever more dependant we have become on digitisation in everything.

As for digitisation in vehicles, I watched it beginning to take hold, and just gave up, as trying to keep up with digitisation in the work environment was more than challenge enough, spurious alarms on systems of all types by the hundreds in any one day, was challenge enough, without spending time at home in the garage playing the same game as a means of enjoying one`s leisure time....

Taking things to the extreme.. (-: Imagine failing an MOT on a Tesla as the result of a fault in the ability to select the log fire display, or the ability to play a farty sound on any of the individual seat cushions one might use for a bit of in car fun......!!!

Having typed that I think my Tesla is a personal transportation device that well suits the old man I have become, it has been a tiresome process to step through the menus to perform the basic tasks one requires to operate the vehicle in a basic manner, when basic switches took much less time to operate the base functional requirements, as operating them became second nature and did not create any kind of distraction by paying attention to what and where to press on an area of a screen to select or alter a basic function... Typical old man rant... ? (-:

My pet hate. It is not safe having to use the dash screen, while driving, to adjust cabin temp, radio station or select music source/ tracks. Mobile phone usage is outlawed, but these can be held in line of sight. These infotainment screens are out of sightline and bloody dangerous in my opinion. I'd also like a CD player

Would have thought basic controls are voice activated- might need an Elon accent though.

Fully agree with you MartO………my Volvo needs two people to drive it. My wife does all the on screen functions. Very important when the windscreen suddenly fogs up !! My finger can and does often miss the right icon whilst driving. 50 grand and they still cannot stop cars misting up even on door windows. Guess Mercs triple glazing solves it perhaps ?
Only a couple of modern tech I like is cruise control , use all the time driving through Europe with so many speed changes and BLIS .

Thankfully all the bikers enjoyed a sunny parade day in Austria and travels in Slovenia yesterday . Croatia fine to for intrepid no hood or sidescreen s Stephen888 who cannot post pics as he says he cannot remember his TM log in ! The torrential storm rain last week rusted his brain ……
MM + co driver

Yep Stephen888 is an inspiration to us all. He post on the GEG whats app and seems to be having fun.

Mike, I have sent you a PM, if you could pass it along to Stephen, it has the info he needs.

Seller is saying the car was purchased just shy of £145,000. I thought that was 400 territory, which this one obviously isn’t. Also says “currently there are under 20 UK cars”. Both seem to stretch the limits of honesty.

Bidding is at £86,000, with 12 hours to go. I suspect the seller would set the reserve north of £100k.

There are certainly a few dealers singing happy first birthday to their supersports sat in their showrooms for sure. Still a very good deal at 100k if you have the cash and really want one.

There's a brick wall at £100k. However good these Morgans are, cost will always dictate numbers sold. There are just enough buyers right now, but as the market stands, there are secondhand bargains, and that's what works against new sales.

There's money about, if people really want ome. Just had a wander through the Preston yes Preston Porsche dealership and spotted a decent secondhand 911, just a mere £184k, most of the showroom cars were north of £120k and it was packed full of them and outside there must be another 20 plus cars. Sadly very few 911'a, no Boxsters or Cayman. That's in the North of England in an economically deprived Preston........amazing how much drug money converts to metal in upmarket showrooms, once it has gone through the nail bar, turkish barbers and wape shops cleansing routinues.

John, I think if you visited any Porsche dealership you would see the place crowded out with pre owned Porsches for sale and very slow turn over, creating exactly the scene you describe, which I read as a sign of the times...?.

Another auction site, this time a pre MY23 Plus Six, first registered as a 26 plate with delivery mileage. Problem is there’s no mention that it was built without ESC or airbags. Now that might be attractive to some, but - again - I think it’s stretching the truth not to give the full details.

Sold for £72,000. Not bad for a pre-upgrade P6.

Did ask the question on build date but expect it was too late

According to the website, provisionally sold:
Winning bid
£98,000
End time
18/09/26, 19:13

That’s a very expensive 357 miles

SuperSport “provisionally sold” £98,000.

Whilst it was a bit of a bargain, well a considerable saving anyway, don't forget there would be a buyers premium, which would probably add a couple of thousand, so around the £100 k mark then, however I'm not upset as it was not my colour.

I'm not suggesting that this is the case with this particular auction; however, I'm no longer surprised when I see certain Morgan (and other) cars come up for auction, get 'sold', and then end up either back in another auction within a month or up for sale again with a normal ad.

I've watched, and been involved in two, auctions where the genuine bidders seem to drop away and then, perhaps, other parties seem to bid just to increase the price or get it to the reserve. It is more than likely just my perception but I've lost some confidence in the transparency of certain online auctions.

I agree Simon, I often follow the bidding on this site and it often leaves me with a suspicious feeling.

I’m always suspicious when there’s either a “sudden change in circumstances” or a reluctance to show details that are (reasonably) requested. Buyers premium on collecting cars is 6% plus VAT, with a maximum of £7k, which is almost what the premium on this car will be.

I know of one of the 9 Midsummer Coupes being sold for 450k plus vat!

I saw one being driven on the Foss Way a few weeks ago, I was so shocked to see one actually being used I blinked and nearly missed it

You mean being offered for sale at.......

I think the same happened with the Aero Coupe and Supersports when they were factory fresh. They needed help to move. The 2013 silver factory demo car we bought was retailed at £114k with options. Due to a kind person from the forum helping we were able to own it for quite a bit less at that time.

I dont think the price is unreasonable for what is essentially a hand made car but it is an outlier in terms of the existing customer base.

As an example of other ultra niche low volume hand made cars look at the Alfaholics GTV's, MST Escorts. No change from £100k or even £200k there. Mind you I still think you only pay £2 for a pint.....

On that basis this one has a long way to go

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