Is it possible to fashion a similar catch adaption for the forward catch to lift it enough to clear, but secure enough to hold the bonnet securely, rather than the expense of the scoop. Failing that Steve at VSM may be able to help https://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/galleries/633738/new-bonnet-scoop This is a nicely executed scoop I think nicer than the standard Morgan scoop.
I asked AI what using the new manifold configuration would be the likely impact
With your 2.0L Duratec engine already highly modified—sporting a Stage 3 cylinder head, open exhaust, and pushing an impressive 180+ bhp—your engine is severely bottlenecked by its current intake configuration (presumably the stock Ford plastic dual-runner manifold or a mild variant).If you swap the stock intake system for the Fab9 Elite Intake Manifold combined with an appropriately matched larger throttle body (such as a Bosch 68mm unit) and a proper ECU remap, you can realistically expect a power improvement of 12 to 18 bhp at the flywheel.
1. Upper-RPM Breathing & Extended Peak PowerYour current setup drops peak power relatively early at 5,500 RPM. A stock Duratec plenum is designed to fall flat above 6,000 RPM. The shorter, high-velocity runners of the Fab9 Elite Manifold shift the engine’s volumetric efficiency higher. Your peak horsepower will likely shift from 5,500 RPM up to 6,200–6,500 RPM, allowing the Stage 3 head to finally breathe deeply. [1] ()2.
Aside from the peak horsepower numbers, you will likely see a solid 10–12 lb-ft torque increase across the 4,500 to 6,500 RPM sweeping range. As noted by users on Reddit's r/MiataNC, a primary benefit of this manifold on a built engine is a significantly improved area under the torque curve with no loss of torque at lower RPMs. The aluminum plenum evens out the turbulent intake reversion caused by the aggressive cam overlap inherent to a Stage 3 head. [1] (https://www.reddit.com/r/MiataNC/comments/1kodmfc/finally_installed_the_fab9_elite_intake_manifold/)
Crucial Technical Caveats for the Plus 4
Throttle Body Matching Requirement: You cannot run the tiny stock factory throttle body on the Fab9 plenum and expect these results. You will need to budget for a 68mm or 70mm throttle body upgrade to avoid creating a new intake restriction right at the mouth of the manifold. [1] (https://www.reddit.com/r/MiataNC/comments/1l1d72w/fab9_elite_intake_manifold_on_20_nc/)
The "210 bhp Single-Plenum Ceiling":
On a naturally aspirated 2.0L Duratec, approximately 210 bhp is the maximum physical ceiling achievable using a single-throttle plenum. The physics of shared-air induction mean that to safely push past 210–220 bhp with that Stage 3 head, you would strictly require the independent, completely unrestrictive airflow of Individual Throttle Bodies (ITBs).Summary ExpectationCurrent Power: 180+ bhp @ 5,500 RPM Expected Power after Fab9 + 68mm TB + Map: ~195 bhp @ 6,300 RPM and a significantly broader, more eager rev range.
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22 Plus Four KIMI 12 Plus 4 Sport OZZY 08 Roadster FELIX 06 4/4 70th LOKI 77 4/4 SEAMUS 85 4/4 MOLLY
Luddite, I had the 85 CVH just before all the improved wood, paint and chassis treatments improving longevity. It was the second most underpowered of my 4/4 but the most entertaining and fun of all my trads.
22 Plus Four KIMI 12 Plus 4 Sport OZZY 08 Roadster FELIX 06 4/4 70th LOKI 77 4/4 SEAMUS 85 4/4 MOLLY
Luddite, I had the 85 CVH just before all the improved wood, paint and chassis treatments improving longevity. It was the second most underpowered of my 4/4 but the most entertaining and fun of all my trads.
Thanks for the heads up on your 85 4/4 John. My +8 is also an 85 but not registered until 86, perhaps slow to sell given around that time it seems likely that most folk may have wanted EFI as opposed to the Strombergs it was fitted with...? I suspect it must have been one of the last +8`s with carbs to have been built, if not one of the last to be registered for the road... I think it supposedly had something around 150 horses under the bonnet when new, no idea or care as to how many may have wandered off and grazing elsewhere, the main thing is that it has more than enough to keep me well enough entertained, to the extent that I have zero desire to think of ever replacing it..(-:
Luddite, I had the 85 CVH just before all the improved wood, paint and chassis treatments improving longevity. It was the second most underpowered of my 4/4 but the most entertaining and fun of all my trads.
Thanks for the heads up on your 85 4/4 John. My +8 is also an 85 but not registered until 86, perhaps slow to sell given around that time it seems likely that most folk may have wanted EFI as opposed to the Strombergs it was fitted with...? I suspect it must have been one of the last +8`s with carbs to have been built, if not one of the last to be registered for the road... I think it supposedly had something around 150 horses under the bonnet when new, no idea or care as to how many may have wandered off and grazing elsewhere, the main thing is that it has more than enough to keep me well enough entertained, to the extent that I have zero desire to think of ever replacing it..(-:
Am I correct in that your +8 was rebuilt, most likely it was built before the treatment improvements in 86 and onwards. The biggest metal work improvement was the painting of the wings seperately from the bodywork. My 4/4 and your +8 were most likely were painted with the the wimgs on, and the wing beading was painted over and the two inside metal surfaces below the beading were left unpainted. The chassis used to flex and crack the beading paint, and unless you kept on top of touching in the paint cracks (nearly every time you went out in it) water and moisture would get thru to the unpainted metal surfaces below and rust, plus if you had a mix of ally/steel body/wings electrolysis was accelerated. You could always tell back in the day if a pre-86 car had had it wings off for what ever reason, as most were refitted with new beading which was not painted over. The only reason I got rid of that 4/4 which was immaculate, was because of the continuous need to keep touching in the beading paintwork, everythime I came back from a drive.......local salty air envuronment didn't take prisoners.
So back then, if going on a touring holiday in addition to the grease gun, tools, I also kept a small pot of touch up paint and a brush, especially if holidaying in places with inclement weather eg Ireland.. If you think its interesting explaining to strangers why you are on your back in a hotel car park, grease gun in hand, imagine explaining away with the paint and brush in hand.........
Typical Morgan build quality back then, the CVH cars had a round inspection/access cutout in the drivers side transmission tunnel, hidden by the removeable leather/househair transmission cover. I only found out whist on holiday in torrential rain in Ireland that they hadn't bothered to put a hinged cover over the access hole, so water poured into the car via the massive hole and I had water slushing backwards and forwards in the driver footwell everytime I accelerated or braked....thank goodness things have moved on somwehat. The good ol' days.
I'm not sure what period the painted over wing beads stretches back to, but rarely do I see a pre 86 car these days with painted beading, most have had their wings of and replaced the beading...just a point to remember when concours judging.I beleive the change, if my memory serves me well,came about due to a new paint shop in '86,
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22 Plus Four KIMI 12 Plus 4 Sport OZZY 08 Roadster FELIX 06 4/4 70th LOKI 77 4/4 SEAMUS 85 4/4 MOLLY
John, my old Mog was found as the result of efforts made by GoMoG, AKA Lorne. other than that I would never have come across it.
The +8 was initially the equivalent of a barn find with only circa 8k miles travelled since new, at the time it was bought by Kevin, who stripped it down to the bare chassis, and repainted the chassis, rear axle, brake back plates, bulkhead, inner wings, petrol tank and radiator tanks in two pack high gloss black. Kevin provided me with pics of the rebuild..
All the bodywork is alloy, and was resprayed from original white to Cabernet, which is a Jaguar colour. During the rebuild process stainless steel fixings were used in most places, converted to Koni tubular shockers all round, copper brake pipes, with metal braided flexibles, thus it was pretty much in Concours condition the day I bought it.... Kevin had set it up for touring with heavier rear springs and it came with a whole list of spares best carried while touring, and with a colour matching fibreglass case lined in the same colour material as the Mog`s trim. I suspect as Kevin was a Morgan enthusiast of wide experience of repairing them, he knew where the usual foibles might be found and set about trying to limit the possibility of them showing up on his +8 in time...
Now circa 24 years further on looks like he did a grand job, all be it I have covered only 30k ish miles over those years, it is no longer a potential Concours winner, as My good lady was an adventurous sort, and had us finding all sorts of rough back roads while touring and creating wonderful Morgan memories...(-: Sad to type she is no longer with us, but glad to say I can still greatly enjoy the old Mog..(-:
Touch up paint was ever part of the touring tool kit, I remember well suggesting to my good lady that it might be a good idea for her to give up one of her many,many, bottles of nail varnish she had, for me to create as a touch up kit for the Mog. Being very kind hearted she rummaged through them to find a more outrageous shade, which I washed out the bottle and brush with thinners and poured in some of Cabernet from the tin of paint Kevin had also given me at the time of purchase...
On my +8 there is a round cover held by one fixing screw, when swivelled out of position provides approximate access to the gearbox filler plug.. In Morgan tradition the hole is not directly in line with the filler plug...(-:
My 2012 vehicle had more cash spent on it in the first 3 months of ownership than I have spent on the Mog during my entire custodianship of it.....and like many modern sports car contemporaries has a myriad of digital sensors actuators, and nodes, all of which have potential to make motoring a far more expensive pastime than it is ever likely to be on my old Mog... I suspect modern motorists driving digitally dependant machines are also potentially dependant on the mobile phone network, and flat back pick up trucks, even for something as simple as a damaged tyre, taking how much time to resolve while sitting feeling vulnerable at the side of the road.... Hmm..?
Yup the old Mog lack of digitec ever provided a reasonable level of comfort built on self reliance while touring, which is just not possible for me these days with more modern vehicles... It is just that which it is...?
Again, sorry for messing up your Mog modifications thread Dave, but this in TM and one has to go with the flow...? (-:
