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Paul I'm not sure how to respond to this but its certainly the most fun I've every had on 3 wheels and I'm not sure what could be done to improve that apart from the weather here in blighty.

Steven, as Simon has said my 3 wheeler has now got over 2600 miles on it so I'll comment as to how I see it.

I was fortunate enough to get to go in one of the early development cars, and in all honesty it was rough, but looking beyond the vibration shaking out my teeth I knew I wanted one, and I've not been disappointed.

My car has been driven in all weather conditions the only thing it hasn't experienced is snow (yet). In terms of finish I don't think you can fault the paint and trim finish and it has been commented on other threads that detailers always comment on the quality of the paint work on MMC vehicles.

The exposed sections of the chassis have shown some signs of deterioration from flying debris and will need touching up, but this I am told by Caterham owners is parr for the course, where stones hit the wishbones, the track rods on the threaded sections have also shown some signs of light rusting but again they are exposed to elements. I've painted mine which took all of 5 minutes, and I'm sure I'll do them again as the car gets used.

Being an early car I always knew I would be part of the customer development programme and if I'm honest the level of development from my part has been lower that expected. The only thing of concern for me is the bevel box and Quaife have now resolved the problems and a Mk2 box will be fitted shortly.

Funny enough I'm at the factory today getting my aero serviced and I stopped off to talk to the guys in the 3 wheeler shop, to talk about a few improvements, only to find Theyr are one step in front of me and the small repeat small concerns I have are being dealt with xon the later production cars, one of these being the use of stainless steel bolts on some of the engine fixings.

So some questions from my ownership to date.

Do I regret buying my 3 wheeler? Without doubt no.

What would I change? The weather in blighty so I could use it more.

I always saw this car has a work in progress, the factory would provide me with a blank canvas and I'd bespoke it in the way I wanted. I took a local petrol head out in both the aero and the 3 wheeler yesterday and this is a guys whose a bits of a car slut, his comment on another forum was "one of the mot fun cars I've ever been in" he also said to me it made you feel one with the surrounding environment, seeing as it wasn't raining I took that to be a positive statement rather than meaning he was bloody wet.

Steve if you jump back on the list I'm sure by the time you get around to collecting even the most minor issues will have been sorted. (not that I kno what they are)

I'll leave it on this note a friend of mine has a Caterham R500 and I can see no difference in the quality of these two vehicles, except if you park them side by side, you know what one will get the most attention.

A Midlife crises machine, but eh what can i say, since he took my misses out for a spin, now she wants one

If its a mid life crisis car then whats a bright blue aero max




That's what friends are for

Better that than junior now wanting an F1 car.


Sorry Dean should have added at the factory today spotted raffle tickets for sale to win a 3 wheeler. Maybe you could by her an early birthday present.

Capital A for Aero please

this is the only 3 Wheeler she will get

http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/400307055...&adtype=pla

f a b u l o u s
whishing mine was like that!!!

I can just picture the look on her face when you give her that.

Originally Posted By: PaulJ

"What I'm really waiting for is the Mk11 car, lighter, faster, even more nimble, and even more fun."


"Paul I'm not sure how to respond to this but its certainly the most fun I've every had on 3 wheels and I'm not sure what could be done to improve that apart from the weather here in blighty. umbrella"

I have already stated on here that I was disappointed with the weight of the car, 525kgs is just too heavy for such a small car, not only would it be cheaper to buy VED, but more important it would drive even better - note the even. It is fun but lack of weight is really important in a small car, Chapman identified it all those years ago, but very few manufacturers have taken it onboard since it seems. It is a small comment, but worth noting nonetheless, that all Caterham bolts are exactly the right length for the fitment, whilst Morgan bolts are a little too long, maybe this gives an indication of the mindset Caterham are in to get their cars to weigh 525kgs, the same as the M3W. I understand that Morgan are working on getting the weight down to at least a motorcycle class VED, 425kgs I believe, hence my comment about the Mk 2 [Steve] car.

My M3W sits in my garage right alongside a Caterham CSR 260, so it is interesting to directly compare the two cars for quality of finish etc, and I would agree that the two are broadly comparable, especially if a few more bolts are being made from rustfree materials. The interior of the Morgan is of course , much nicer, being all leather.

Simplify, then add lightness. Chapman

The only problem with this is that adding lightness typically comes at a higher initial cost and an even greater cost the lighter the car becomes to keep it "safe".

One of the first things that was a resounding cry around the Morgan community was the final weight amount of the M3W at 525kg. Most of the people who had already purchased the car said that it was plenty fun even with the weight "problem".

There is a different between good and better and bad. Most of the time when people are critiquing something about the new M3W it is assumed that people are saying its bad. Its not that its bad, just that it could be better. 525kgs may not be bad, but wouldn't 425kg be better?

The noise in the upgraded bevel box may not be bad, but wouldnt no noise at all be better?

Obviously a car soo early in production is going to have its unique qwirks that will most likely be worked out in the future, but what those will be at this point is mostly in Charles Morgans hand.

I would love a M3W but I have never seen a positive comment about Morgan paintwork on the UK's leading "Car wash Forum"

"Knowing Morgan and having done a few before we could expect a lot. Before even washing or claying we could see some damage. Swirls, some hazing, wet sanding without proper finishing,... The lots"

". Looks like the worst Orange peel I've seen in a long time too, not what I expect if I spend that much on a car"

On the whole with modern paints I am not to sure if it is realistic to expect a perfect finish on a hand sprayed car these days.

Brian, I don't know where the paint comments have come from but I'm sure the guy who details aeromans car will disagreed but I stand to be corrected by Aeroman on that.

Paul, knocking 100kg off the weight would take a lot of work and as Krod has said add cost.. I'm no mechanical engineer but saving weight on the mechnicals would be a challenge given the bulk of this is an off the shelf gearbox and engine.

If you looked at the car I weight could be saved on items like the mud guards lights etc but I'm not sures how much that would gain you. This then leaves the chassis where savings would be possible but I wouldn't have thought this would amount to more than 0-30 kg. How far do you go in the direction of a Cateram? I personnaly would consider the replace of leather cover seas with carbon fibre ones a step to far.

425kg would be nice, but Im not going to lose any sleep worrying about it. But then I've even hooning around 2 up with a boot full of luggage. Having now had the chance to drive mine in anger if Morgan address the weight issue and add extra power then driver training should be mandatory, just don't forget those skinny front tyres are only rated for just over a ton.