Thanks Grumpy Pa and Luddite you have cured three months of intense frustration re the batteries in my key fob, they are sold here in a tight blister pack which requires strong scissors to open -but I never considered the coating -gave both batteries a bit of a coarse sanding and hey presto for the first time in six months it works as it should -and hopefully I wont get the silly messages as i am driving down the motorway that the key has been removed from the car! (Volvo XC60)