Just echoing Lowerbird here: I am thinking about changing and have already been out and about in a BHM Plus Four but am increasingly put off by a lot of what I read on this forum. As you know I am very pleased with my M16 ,and so far after 18 years is generally trouble free. It is also a lot quicker it seems than a GDI and certainly quicker than my friends Duratec Plus Four. I really do not know what to do at the moment, maybe a nineties Plus Eight but one of those can't even make 60mph in second. Any thoughts ladies and gentlemen?