Sorry red mist moment, apologies to OP for the thread drift. Also should be behind the spider wall.

Yes I notice a number of the Petrol+ 97 rating stuff is also now marked as E5 etc. Annoying if you rest the car over winter. Stabill applied to the Mogs.

Originally Posted by sospan
Political expediency and lack of courage by politicians should be added to what can influence the future.
Politicians make some absurd decisions that fit the the current thoughts and pander to lobby groups.
Take diesel for example. It was the go-to option when mpg and carbon emissions were in the spotlight. The NOx effect was ignored to make diesel appear better for carbon emissions. A few years later it came tothe front and diesels became the devil incarnate.
Electric Car manufacture is being massively pursued and legislated for. Manufacturers are effectively being forced into changing from ICE to EV. There are many negative factors being ignored. Carbon footprint, Lithium production and battery disposal, infrastructure for charging etc.
At some stage when non lithium batteries come into use the old lithium ones will be a problem. Yes there is some reclamation being developed but it could easily go the way of diesel as a good becoming bad.
How many politicians are there who have the guts to speak out about known potential issues ? Toe the line or you are a target!


I agree, once they were referred to as the leadership, now it seems the phrase the polesters biggest employer would be better applied. In some ways the forced nature and schedule of the change using the deadline can stimulate growth in the UK car industry which does employee a lot of people but dressing it up in the emperors new clothes just makes it look questionable. Then I think of Kyoto and the objective and just see a knee jerk reaction to a bigger and more critical issue so i shut my trap given I don't have a magic wand.


Originally Posted by Peter J
How many politicians can analyse data, use a spreadsheet and understand uncertainty, as applied to measurement?


Fair point but they are more like the cannon fodder and the ranks of permanent advisors and scientists that are also employed by the Government should be more visible and accountable. Lets take the excellent case of Chris Whitty where the supporting cast of the government has proven skilled, aware and successful. So name me one more that has done the same for other elements of .gov strategy ? NHS enablement to remove the vast range of limitations within the built system? Reducation in complexity and hence hiding holes of the tax system?


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