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This is the Russian propaganda point of view and completely denies the right of the Ukrainian people to self determination without political or military interference. In fact it is saying that the Maidan revolution was due to western political interference and completely ignores the centuries old Ukrainian struggle for independence and self determination.

It is important to note that this talk was given after the start of the war which really started in 2014: and that was the continuation a Russian aggression against Ukraine which goes back hundreds of years.

The Ukrainians have long viewed themselves more as part of Western Europe than part of the Eastern bloc.

I do understand the strategic importance of Sebastapol for Russia but as for the rest, and even Sebastapol, negotiation should have been able to resolve any issues without resorting to genocide. In any case before the Russian invasion NATO seemed to be becoming somewhat irrelevant. The invasion has given NATO a shot in the arm and given it a new life. Surely this was not exactly what the Russian leaders wanted.

The reality is as though I decided to join my farm a cooperative with a cooperative to the west of my farm and refused the deal offered by the cooperative to the East (the reasons for this really don't matter much but on past evidence the Eastern Coop wants to control my most profitable assets). The Eastern Coop then decides that since I wanted to join the Western Coop they would enter my farm in force, steal my livestock, harvest, and machinery, kill my family, and destroy everything.