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PS no connection to Suplex, got the kit from Rob @ Librands
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Hmmmm....I'm not sure about any of this. To be honest, I'm perplexed.
If it 'ain't broke why fix it ?
Why go to great lengths to make your Morgan drive and feel like a modern car?
Why buy a traditional Morgan in the first place?
Why have Morgan resisted the trend to upgrade their suspension since 1910?
Why spend good money changing your Morgan into a Lotus Elise?
I am happy that my friends here that have upgraded their suspensions are pleased but its not for me. I don't see it as an enhancement when you take away the character and purity of the original design. "Comfort" is not part of the Morgan concept - what you pay for and what you get is a hard riding pure traditional sports car - its fun and exhillerating, it keeps you on your toes, without being comfortable. I don't look for comfort in a Morgan - every jolt and bump reminds me of the cars heritage.
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If it 'ain't broke why fix it ? It might not be "broke" but a standard front suspension set up on a 1952 car is a long long way from good let alone perfect. Why go to great lengths to make your Morgan drive and feel like a modern car? You'll never make a Morgan drive like a modern car, but you can make it so the tyres stay in contact with the black stuff, and the wheels go up and down like there supposed to. Why buy a traditional Morgan in the first place? Because he paid £180 for it in 1968, as it was the best performing car for the money at the time, (all 68 of it's Vangard horse power) and doesn't want to get rid of it just yet. Why have Morgan resisted the trend to upgrade their suspension since 1910? They have constantly throughout the years, negative camber, roller bearings, steering racks, telescopic dampers, rebound springs etc. And it has taken so long because it costs lots money to develop suspension. Why spend good money changing your Morgan into a Lotus Elise? It's far from an Elise, they don't leak when it rains. One of the main attractions of owning a Morgan is that it can be Modified, to make it perform better, either make it faster, handle or make it more comfortable to tour in, generally make it a better sports car for doing "motor sport" in.
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It was a continuing trend with MGB's. First it was telescopic conversions, some of doubtful benefit, then coilovers and IRS. Eventually it was power steering.
I didn't really want any of that, so restricted my mods to the basic Le Mans spec, which was 15% uprated damper valves, and a 3/4" front roll bar.
At least this Morgan upgrade seems to have been engineered, and makes a positive difference. At present I'm on the fence. I wouldn't 'just do it', unless the kingpins were ready. That's when I did the steering bearing conversion on my Roadster. And being that I'm very happy with how the Roadster rides with AVO's,there's no point in spending the money.
In respect of the 4/4, we'll see how we go. If the kingpins need doing I will take a long hard view at that time. The steering is very lively already but I need some time to get used to it. As a first step I would probably be more inclined to go the AVO route.
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If it 'ain't broke why fix it ? It might not be "broke" but a standard front suspension set up on a 1952 car is a long long way from good let alone perfect. Why go to great lengths to make your Morgan drive and feel like a modern car? You'll never make a Morgan drive like a modern car, but you can make it so the tyres stay in contact with the black stuff, and the wheels go up and down like there supposed to. Why buy a traditional Morgan in the first place? Because he paid £180 for it in 1968, as it was the best performing car for the money at the time, (all 68 of it's Vangard horse power) and doesn't want to get rid of it just yet. Why have Morgan resisted the trend to upgrade their suspension since 1910? They have constantly throughout the years, negative camber, roller bearings, steering racks, telescopic dampers, rebound springs etc. And it has taken so long because it costs lots money to develop suspension. Why spend good money changing your Morgan into a Lotus Elise? It's far from an Elise, they don't leak when it rains. One of the main attractions of owning a Morgan is that it can be Modified, to make it perform better, either make it faster, handle or make it more comfortable to tour in, generally make it a better sports car for doing "motor sport" in. Fair enough - I accept there are two schools of thought on this and whether you modify the suspension or not is down to personal inclination/ taste. But I don’t believe the reason Morgan have not “developed” their suspension is due to lack of funds. They have had plenty of funds to develop other things and to introduce new cars. Its because Peter Morgan believed his fathers suspension best suited the character of the car. I agree with him. Incidentally, I notice you’re in Chesham. I will have to look out for you on the local roads - I live in Berkhamsted. The Plus 4 Flat Rads are lovely cars so I will certainly notice your car.
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David I have to say that I tend to agree with your thoughts, when it comes to Morgans; and my 4/4 (Stanley) is very modestly powered in comparison. However, it suits me perfectly. But each to their own and I admire the people who enjoy modifying their cars. I am lucky, having spend a fair chunk of my life around very fast motorbikes, using them on both roads and tracks: therefore my own need for speed has been long since satisfied.  Bud __________ 2003 - 4/4
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"I am lucky, having spend a fair chunk of my life around very fast motorbikes**, using them on both roads and tracks: therefore my own need for speed has been long since satisfied." I didn't notice that on the way back from Castle Coombe. 
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Nicely put Bud....we almost believe you!
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Neil You told me that you didn't get out of 1st gear when you were following me.  Nick I don't drive fast even when being harried by Neil & Adrian. When I'm with the lovely Lady Budster,  we proceed in a "stately fashion" Bud
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I am happy that my friends here that have upgraded their suspensions are pleased but its not for me. I don't see it as an enhancement when you take away the character and purity of the original design. "Comfort" is not part of the Morgan concept - what you pay for and what you get is a hard riding pure traditional sports car - its fun and exhillerating, it keeps you on your toes, without being comfortable. I don't look for comfort in a Morgan - every jolt and bump reminds me of the cars heritage.
Have you driven a Suplex-equipped car yet? I know the kit is called 'Comfort' but it could have been better named, especially if you think it turns the car into some sort of boulevard cruiser. It bothers me not one jot that you don't fancy the conversion for your car, but I wouldn't want you to have the wrong impression of its effect.
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