Talk Morgan Forums Morgan Sports Cars Morgan Three Wheeler & Super 3 Deleted

Wiscos, I agree with much of this (if not all); however, I am caught between a rock and a hard place.

As much as I dislike what is being said about myself, and this site, if I close the discussion I am censoring people's ability to express their feelings on the issue. That, in a nutshell, will play into the hands of people who believe we are trying to stifle debate and goes against everything we (the moderators) want TM to be.

If people want to continue the discussion, including taking shots at me, they are welcome to: I am old enough and ugly enough to take it

You consider this aggressive?

I felt the post was disrespectful in its scarcasm to Simon; who I know doesn't respond in many cases where others might. I pointed this out.



I also tend to feel that this has evolved into a witch hunt though I fully acknowledge that many have a genuine concern that they would like more info on. For clarity I know Blake has had issues and has aired them before where I actually praised and acknowledged his very reasoned post. His post here was again respectful and informative and within the rules of the site. My only comment was that maybe he could convey Pandy's post (which I felt a fair reflection) in a constructive manner to Kevin who he obviously knows well.

As for the respect earnt, I'm not sure how one earns respect on a forum? As far as I am aware judge me when you meet me (I do the same - I simply comment on other people's posts though I'm sure there is a blurring of lines sometimes). My post count was in response to the posters query "who are you" and Simons comment that maybe people should/could join in more constructively elsewhere before 'stirring the pot' (my words). But anyhow you interpret as you please. I am more than happy for the people who have met me to judge me rather than an angry 'keyboard warrior' as I'm afraid you seem to come across. I have seen enough of life thank you, to know that TM is not the be all and end all.

I say things as I see them, always have, always will. More than happy to agree to disagree where necessary and where debates are polite respectful and reasonable. But I WILL jump down on any post where I feel threats or unnecessary comments are made that are beyond what we are prepared to accommodate. I will also defend (where appropriate) any TM member who I feel is being unfairly harassed as you are well aware.

Finally as for my relationship with the factory Simon sums it up perfectly:



I don't think there is anything new there.

You were the first person to attack people by more than implying that their opinions didn't matter because they were new to this forum and/or had few posts. You did so because you read tthe first few posts as "attacks" on your decision, even though they were quite fair, and most were simply trying to make sense of it. And let me once again remind you, that you were the one who allowed people to respond to the decision.



No, I didn't quote him, I mentioned him, because his posts were the reason you got the responses you quoted to me.


I am not confusing anything or anyone. His posts were crucial in steering the discussion in the direction it did, and crucially, they illicited the responses you now refer to as part of the "witch hunt".




Seriously, Simon, you need to calm down. You allowed people to respond and ponder a decision you made. Of course not all will agree. What made this discussion really bad was Boshly's attempt to bully people into submission, and basing his misplaced defense on your post regarding people's post count.

As I see it, the thing you did wrong was crying foul because people responded to the decision in the very thread you allowed them to do. As for the discussion in this thread as a whole, Boshly exacerbated this by his attempt to shut down discussion because he knew you and you're not a bad person (noone said you were, but that's Boshly for you).

Yes, and you employed the usual tactics of trying the "defense" of "I know him, he's a good guy" - not even considering that he may be wrong - not necessarily with the decision, but how he perceived the comments.




Seriously, after seeing your tactics surface once again, you're not one to cry foul.



I'm sorry you don't feel that respect can be earned simply because the interactions happen electronically - yet at the same time try to get one over me by mentioning I'm a journalist (i.e. in the physical world). It get's even better, because you repeat this:


Oh, the irony is thick with this one.


Good for you. Maybe you should act like it.


And so do others. Perhaps you should take this as a much needed lesson: You're entitled to an opinion, but you're not entitled to stop others from having their own opinion.


Yes, on more than one occassion you have shown yourself to be more than willing to attempt shut down any discussion because you happen to know one of the parties, and since you know them, you're entitled to, and are of course always right.




See above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)

What is happening here is making me very sad. I have no other way to express it. I believe that enough has now been said and that all concerned should make no further replies to this thread.

I came in very late on this and have been reading the thread out of curiosity. Please note that I am not commenting on anyone or any particular post. I just think enough is enough

If someone wishes they can easily start another thread on the technical issues.

+1

+1

It seems to me entirely unreasonable that Kevin Rivette is now denied any access to this forum. The technical points he made in the post that began this thread were interesting and important. I can understand, as I have previously stated, why his post was deleted but to ban further interventions from him seems to me draconian. And apparently, it goes further than that...

Of course, I do not know "the other side of the story", if there is one, but Mr Rivette's knowledge could well be useful to 3 Wheeler owners and to the Morgan Motor Company. Now he is not only banned from posting comments, he cannot even read posts in the site. He has been made an "unperson", as in the old Soviet Union.

A private explanation to him about why, in the understandable view of the site owners, parts of his post were considered unacceptable, perhaps putting him on some kind of informal "probation", would have been a better response. Was that approach tried?

Viewing this matter as an apparently unwanted 'outsider', I would say that the most immoderate person here is one of the moderators, who seems to have what these days are politely termed "personality issues".

Well said Peter. I entirely agree. C'mon chaps - put this behind you and move on.

I posted a link to the website of the Company which has purportedly achieved an engineering solution to the bumpsteer issue earlier in this thread. An explanation of the issues involved can be found there.