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You only have to look at this thread to see why TM has so much potential. Intelligent, articulate, enthusiastic owners with a wealth of industry wide knowledge and experience that could in effect become free consultancy. If Simon could arrange "structured feedback" that is offered and accepted in a spirit of mutual respect, cooperation and benefit, what an opportunity that could be! I know this is a thread in the M3W Forum and there are more than enough examples already cited by that community, but you only need to look at the contributors above to recognise that there are also "Trad" issues which deserve consideration as well. Quickly, and without a detailed trawl through posts, coolant hose routing, rear spring quality, cracked windscreens, and inadequately sealed cables routed through bulkheads leading water ingress, are just a few of many things discussed on this site which are not really "fettling" issues. Neither are they the inevitable result of variability of a hand build processes. They represent basic quality control deficiencies. Eliminating such issues are not bank breaking changes. Indeed, as Peter rightly points out above, if they are dealt with at source they can save money in the long term by eliminating expensive warranty claims or rework, and improve customer satisfaction. So, to be clear, I'm not having a go at MMC, I'm not criticising the workers at the factory, I'm not criticising the management teams, I'm just trying to promote some very useful dialogue between an experienced, passionate owner group and the manufacturer that could be to everyones benefit. I'll give up my crusade on this topic now before I begin to sound like a broken record (for those of you who are old enough to know what that means).... if I haven't already  Very fair comments. Only thing I can add is "How do you eat an elephant?" ...... It would appear that they're settling down to dinner at MMC, knives and forks out, carving about to start. Bon appetit 
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You only have to look at this thread to see why TM has so much potential. Intelligent, articulate, enthusiastic owners with a wealth of industry wide knowledge and experience that could in effect become free consultancy. If Simon could arrange "structured feedback" that is offered and accepted in a spirit of mutual respect, cooperation and benefit, what an opportunity that could be! I know this is a thread in the M3W Forum and there are more than enough examples already cited by that community, but you only need to look at the contributors above to recognise that there are also "Trad" issues which deserve consideration as well. Quickly, and without a detailed trawl through posts, coolant hose routing, rear spring quality, cracked windscreens, and inadequately sealed cables routed through bulkheads leading water ingress, are just a few of many things discussed on this site which are not really "fettling" issues. Neither are they the inevitable result of variability of a hand build processes. They represent basic quality control deficiencies. Eliminating such issues are not bank breaking changes. Indeed, as Peter rightly points out above, if they are dealt with at source they can save money in the long term by eliminating expensive warranty claims or rework, and improve customer satisfaction. So, to be clear, I'm not having a go at MMC, I'm not criticising the workers at the factory, I'm not criticising the management teams, I'm just trying to promote some very useful dialogue between an experienced, passionate owner group and the manufacturer that could be to everyones benefit. I'll give up my crusade on this topic now before I begin to sound like a broken record (for those of you who are old enough to know what that means).... if I haven't already Very fair comments. Only thing I can add is "How do you eat an elephant?" ...... It would appear that they're settling down to dinner at MMC, knives and forks out, carving about to start. Bon appetit Slowly over several weeks along with several packets of Rennie and a bucket or two of a nice fruity number
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You only have to look at this thread to see why TM has so much potential. Intelligent, articulate, enthusiastic owners with a wealth of industry wide knowledge and experience that could in effect become free consultancy. If Simon could arrange "structured feedback" that is offered and accepted in a spirit of mutual respect, cooperation and benefit, what an opportunity that could be! I know this is a thread in the M3W Forum and there are more than enough examples already cited by that community, but you only need to look at the contributors above to recognise that there are also "Trad" issues which deserve consideration as well. Quickly, and without a detailed trawl through posts, coolant hose routing, rear spring quality, cracked windscreens, and inadequately sealed cables routed through bulkheads leading water ingress, are just a few of many things discussed on this site which are not really "fettling" issues. Neither are they the inevitable result of variability of a hand build processes. They represent basic quality control deficiencies. Eliminating such issues are not bank breaking changes. Indeed, as Peter rightly points out above, if they are dealt with at source they can save money in the long term by eliminating expensive warranty claims or rework, and improve customer satisfaction. So, to be clear, I'm not having a go at MMC, I'm not criticising the workers at the factory, I'm not criticising the management teams, I'm just trying to promote some very useful dialogue between an experienced, passionate owner group and the manufacturer that could be to everyones benefit. I'll give up my crusade on this topic now before I begin to sound like a broken record (for those of you who are old enough to know what that means).... if I haven't already Very fair comments. Only thing I can add is "How do you eat an elephant?" ...... It would appear that they're settling down to dinner at MMC, knives and forks out, carving about to start. Bon appetit Recognising that you have an elephant in the room is a great start!
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Jays - re axle width, simply that an Australian pick up truck axle is too wide for a small UK sports car. Which is why you end up with a dart shape and the S1 Roadster being over five inches wider across the rear axle than the front axle.  Frank, regarding LEAN - if it worked effectively at MMC then I would hope that the man who fits the hoses (every day) to the Plus 4 would have raised a concern that there were several chafe points. Now either the problem hasn't been raised, or it was raised and rationalised away, as not a significant risk. If LEAN is operating as intended, all that will be documented.................  In Terms of prototyping de-snagging Adrian, the same blockers apply to product improvement. The Roadster sump clearance must have been raised as an issue, because it's a real issue, but the cost of sorting it must have rationalised it away. This is another example where, if minuted, would make fascinating reading.
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Dave. I understand the dealers have a number of issues relating to routine service on some cars. Particularly the BMW V8s. Apparently to do some fairly mundane tasks is quite difficult without dismantling bits of the car. I have been told that they are issues that would not be impossible to resolve with some minor design changes. All this leads to frustation and high service costs and I am sure these problems have been raised with Morgan.
Best to ask a dealer for more specific information.
Peter ![[Linked Image]](http://bradley.it/public_images/drive.jpg)
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Gents we need to be a little bit careful with this. If they get it all right what will Dave W do in his garage? 
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A big worry I admit. It would put me off if there was nothing to fettle. And I'm guessing that it would put others off for the same reason. All I've been able to do with my Golf is fit four mudflaps and some threshold plates. I only managed to use a tiny piece of neoprene on the rear flaps, and that was it. 
DaveW
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Agreed! If it was too good it would be a Honda/Merc/Kia thingy..
Character or poor build quality/faulty?
Discuss..
Steve
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What it needs is a workforce that really has pride in what they do and many of these issues would be resolved. Perhaps a view that number of TMers would be horrified to hear having a rose tinted view of MMC. Before anyone shouts at me...I've spend a fair bit of time at the factory and and accept that I have a somewhat biased view of MMC and surprise myself with this view!
But you can't hide behind a "hand built" image....being hand built should mean that issues like rubbing cooling hoses, badly fitting carpets, poorly made bonnets etc should be resolved there and then.
Jays
Former Morgan owner. Gone but hopefully not forgotten!
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