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Soapbox Warning  I travel a reasonable amount and one of the things I look for, and expect, in a hotel is free Wi-Fi. These days almost everyone who travels needs Wi-Fi and it should be included as a service. About 4 years ago I was very annoyed to discover that most hotels in Australia had been persuaded by one of several service providers to put in a very expensive pay-for Wi-Fi service. More recently, 2 years ago, I was equally annoyed to have to pay extra for Wi-Fi at a moderately expensive hotel at Malvern. On my most recent trip to the UK I came across The Cloud. Looking at the sign-up page I realised that The Cloud (horrible trendy name) is a service that is part of the Sky group of companies and that they wanted a fair amount of my personal data. Now one thing is for certain I do not trust the ethics of that organisation so I did not sign up. Today I came across publicity from a major UK hotel chain that advertises "Free Wi-Fi (The Cloud)" as one of their "services" so I thought to look up the terms and conditions of using The Cloud. The important bit for me is below: Privacy Notice
The following is information we may hold about you.
Information you have given us, including on our web pages.
Information about our Services you've accessed or used.
Information provided by other organisations who have your permission to share information about you.
Information we collect using cookies stored on and collected from your devices. For more information on cookies and how to manage them, please see our section on cookies.
Your IP address (this is a number that identifies a specific network device on the internet and is needed for your devices to communicate with web pages).
Technical details about your computer or access devices.
The times and dates of your access to and use of our Services.
The locations of your access to and use of our Services.
How we may use your information
As well as using your information to provide you with the Services you have asked for and to generally manage your relationship with us and the activity across our network, we may also use your information in the following ways:
We may monitor and improve our Services
We may use it for market research.
We may also need to use it to pass to others so we can keep to any legal or regulatory requirements; to protect or enforce our rights or the rights of any third party; in the detection and prevention of fraud and other crimes; and for the purpose of protecting national security.
We may pass your information to anyone who takes over our business for them to use for the purposes set out in this privacy notice.
We may send you marketing information (this may include communications by post, telephone, email, push notifications, SMS/MMS, or other means) about Cloud's, Sky's and our business partners' products and services, events and special offers, including for a reasonable time after you stop being our customer.
We may provide your personal data to site owners of the locations at which you access our Services so that they can contact you about products or services they offer;
We may provide your personal data to specially selected partners so they can contact you about the products or services they offer;
We may pass information about you and your use of the Services, including, but not limited to how you conduct your account to selected third parties (including our advertising partners) to help them deliver adverts relevant to you.
We may provide you with tailored advertising, to make some of the communications and information you see whilst using the internet more relevant to you.
We may receive information from Sky, our advertising partners, or other business partners (including our service providers) that helps us (or them) to deliver information relevant to you, understand online activity and generally improve our Services. For example, an advertising partner may provide us with information about you like how you responded to an advert both on our Services, or when using other services, to measure the effectiveness and improve the quality of adverts.
We may use your data or provide your data to our selected partners to provide you with features and services, for example, telling you about products and services available from us, Sky, or our business partners which may be of interest to you, based on your location. We keep your information until it is no longer useful to provide you services.
We, Sky, and our advertising partners may provide you with tailored information whilst you use ours and other parties' services.
Your preferences
Your use of the Services is reliant on you providing us with authorisation for the use of your information as set out in this notice. If you withdraw your authorisation, from us at any time, we will remove access to the Service until you refresh your consent. So in other words you must agree that they can use your data in whatever way they wish, including spamming your email, and, if you withdraw your consent they will block you from using the "free Wi-Fi" It does not really comply with my idea of what should be meant by the term "Free Wi-Fi" End of rant. 
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This is not "The Cloud" as we know it. But some service provider's marketing name... Which reminds me, I must sort out what I have now done with one of my BTInternet account passwords - will be at several Premier Inns during June and I REFUSE to pay for a service that costs peanuts to provide and should be included in the room rate... BTW, if you are on any Yahoogroup forums, go and check your account settings. They're good at 'spying' too 
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And don't forget Google, who are pretty adept at misusing your personal data - or at least they were until this weeks European Courts judgement. Hurray for the EU!
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I stayed at a London hotel recently, and when I asked for a WI Fi connection they said "£15 each 24 hour period"!
"No way, I can use the cafe next door for free" - they agreed to match that!
I guess some people are prepared to pay?
Cheers
David H
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This is not "The Cloud" as we know it. But some service provider's marketing name.... Yes. Intentional misuse of accepted terms by marketing "experts" is one of my pet hates 
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... Looking at the sign-up page I realised that The Cloud (horrible trendy name) is a service that is part of the Sky group of companies and that they wanted a fair amount of my personal data. Now one thing is for certain I do not trust the ethics of that organisation so I did not sign up.
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I am still suffering from using "free" wifi in a hotel in Moscow in 2011. Since then I've been getting between 100 and 300 junk e-mails a day. Unfortunately I gave an e-mail I actually use. Fortunately the spam is all in Cyrillic text so I have set a filter that anything in this text goes straight to junk mail.
I now have a nice company e-mail that I'm able to use when registering in hotels: if it gets spammed I don't see it.
If they ask for personal information I lie or make it up. My normal home address I provide is 10a Downing Street London SW1 2AA. Surprisingly it seems to work.
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Have you ever tried spamming the spammers. I reply to Nigeria as The Rev. Pete O'Phile, using a phoney Gmail address.
Last edited by BobtheTrain; 16/05/14 11:17 PM.
Best Regards
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I am still suffering from using "free" wifi in a hotel in Moscow in 2011. Since then I've been getting between 100 and 300 junk e-mails a day. Unfortunately I gave an e-mail I actually use. Fortunately the spam is all in Cyrillic text ...... I get the same from Dubai.
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