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As an aside how much has social media influenced the relationship of manufacturers to the customers with poor product reliability?

How many of the 1930's 3-wheelers are still running? And perhaps by definition of history they were the "good-uns". They survived because they were good and perhaps give us a false sense of the quality in the 1930's.

The "bad-uns" may have dropped out long ago, but in a time where customers could not compare stories and the responses of the MMC to their complaints.

Doesn't make it right or wrong, but just another level of complexity of modern-life that manufacturers have to cope

Mine for one! The survival rate for 30s cars is fairly good I think. There are three main differences, they weigh less, have a lower power output, and would not be a cohesive device in many forms of accident. The body is joined to the chassis at surprisingly few places.

Hi All,
My M3W is running perfectly after all the 2014 upgrades.But I feel it is time for a change so along I go to my dealer who I bought the car from and say please sell this for me ar hum well I have to give three months warranty and Im sorry but I havnt the confidence in the M3W to give a warranty.So says I you are a Morgan dealer and you wont sell my car which I bought from you just two years ago having driven it you tell me its spot on.What my dealer will do is advertise the car then pass the enquiries on to me so I can sell it.
This dosnt sound right to me when a dealer who sells this product wont attempt to sell a car I bought from him and has all the upgrades.
Has anyone else had this experience?Just try your dealer out see if they will take your car back or even as part exchange for a four wheeler.
The results should be interesting
Best Regards to all David

Greetings all

I have been a keen follower of all posts here on the TM 3W forum and have noted the complaints and problems. As some of you know, I produce my own kit 3 wheelers and fully built cars, similar to Morgan three wheelers and Triking, and the JZR for that matter.

One obvious thing that I have noted, is that no more than say 20/30 regular contributors....if that seem to have reported problems. I understand that MMC have sold around 1000 M3Ws so they say....so where are all the other owners....why are they not on this forum? Clearly, some will not wish to contribute, some will not know of its existence, some will not have experienced problems and might never do so, some drivers might be more experienced in driving/handling a 3 wheeler and a V twin engine, and some owner's expectations of the product might not be as high as others might be expecting and as a result might tolerate some of the problems/quirks more than others might.

To my mind, and I'm not criticising any individual at all, but I do wonder if some owners here have massive expectations of a machine and wish to relate it directly to their very modern 4 wheeled car with all mod cons...power steering, active suspension, massive wide front wheels (not vintage skinny things designed for the MG TA prior to WW2....which are excellent by the way).

I suspect that drivers who are used to driving any older M3W will not see the "problems" quite so visibly as those who have not driven anything like it. My own vehicles do not have bump steer, I have attended to that from the beginning...I don't have a "compensator", I merely use Moto Guzzi engines and gearboxes and Nova reversers, the same as Triking....we use the Moto Guzzi final drive, and it all matches and works well.

One person I have not seen here on TM at all, is Barry Davison, Martin Culling will know him. Barry has a plethora of Morgans including a new one....a 5 speeder and he races an older machine...he knows a thing about 3 wheelers! Why not track him down and ask his opinion in general...has he had problems in any guise with his new M3W.

I note that the Telegraph correspondent Andrew English is selling his Triking...perhaps to purchase an M3W...perhaps he has links to MMC that are shall we say...close, he has clearly written about the 2014 upgrades and had the temerity to talk about recalls etc. Why not get him on board to air more dissatisfaction and to assist?

Morgan have admitted some of the problems and have addressed some, but I do wonder if some contributors on this forum accidentally "wind up" others, by anticipating that even some of the addressed problems might fail in the future....that all seems daft to me.

I have also noticed a "culture" amongst some contributors...some have no mechanical knowledge...well one doesn't need to understand physiology in order to walk or run...however, perhaps understanding that your machine is different and has to be driven differently might assist. I realise also that the expenditure on such machines, lets face it...you can all afford it, or you would have knocked at my door or Triking...but the mentality amongst some seems to be to "chuck it back at the dealer", which in the case of major failure of course, is the first resort, but I wonder just how many vehicles out of the 1000 have actually had some of these problems. Again, an idea might be to have a discussion with the SMMT. To buy vehicles such as these and expect either good residual used values or dare one suggest...increased value...is absurd and the wrong reason for purchase in my view...I used to have this same discussion with people collecting aviation art...some will increase some won't...admittedly the only thing that can happen to a print for example is fading...or the cat pees on it prior to framing!

You buy this kind of vehicle...which for the purpose of discussion is "motor-cycle derived" albeit with a heavy automotive gearbox...and one ought to expect to have to do some kind of minor maintenance as an owner, and for some owners, all of it...there's not too much that is taxing, remember.

You have my sympathies, but I suspect not all 1000 cars/trikes are at fault, and some owners will be more tolerant and some will have more knowledge.

A V twin engine is a classic piece of engineering and needs treating well...it's not a "balls out" high revving screaming engine...the car is not designed to attack Porsches and McClarens and that kind of car...it has its origins in 1909!

I am not linked to any party here or nor do I have a M3W. But why would the dealers buy them back if they don't see a market and margin? The warranty issue would be less I am sure if they could see a suitable margin and quick cash flow.

To me there does see a number of M3W's for sale right now.

I really miss my 3W. But I sure don't miss all this moaning.

If you don't want the car any more sell it.

You going to lose money on it, it's a one - two year old 3 wheeled toy car that was 25k + VAT. It was never an investment....

Hi Mike

You have selectively quoted me....I expected this of course!

If you read me carefully, you can see that I am on your side and this is why I have made suggestions:

1) Tackle Andrew English

2) Talk to Barry Davison via or through the MTWC perhaps.

3) Involve the SMMT.

Repetitive problems do need sorting out and you all expected good product for your money, this is beyond doubt. I repeat though, why are there so few owners on the forum complaining....where are all the other owners from the 1000, and the point I made and perhaps is a truism...not all 1000 cars can have had problems, since as it appears, so few use this forum.

Keep piling on the pressure, get the publicity. The original designer (not Larsen and the Ace) is contactable directly, he has his own business, likewise all the other contacts I have mentioned are too.

I suspect that it is possible that the design was modified to suit easily available components, however, I cannot comment further on either component mismatch or component failure.

I will say however that the M3W is grossly heavy...why....very heavy engine, very heavy gearbox...heavy front suspension/brake/wheel components. Potentially a mismatch of components in terms of weight.

My expectations were quite simple. The car had to be fit for purpose which it wasn't. So it went back.

There are some v good points being made here - and by Merlin.

The three action point suggestions are v good!

BUT there are and have been wide ranging issues with the M3W - that cannot and should not be ignored or mimimised.

1000 owners bought cars with dare I suggest the right/reasonable expectations. I have never owned a car - and I have owned a lot - that has so many inbuilt problems. The M3W had so much going for it - its just a great shame that the ongoing problems are causing a cancer of understandable dissent to spread.

That said I do think that the "early" cars are fixable. Its just a long journey - and for some too frustrating and expensive to want to cope with. MMC do not help themselves with poor communication and weak customer care.

Exactly. Especially for those who are not in the uk.

I'm getting fed up. I'm planing to do Brussels - Paris in a couple of weeks and it should be a fun trip but instead I'm just stressed - do I have breakdown insurance cover for France? Where are the dealers there? What will break? Will it be the rectifier, or the compensator, or will one exhaust fall off, or the chassis crack, the throttle cable come loose, or the bevel bock seize, or will I just run out of petrol?

Have you seen that "Schmee" has bought one (post on the Morgan forum of PH)? As one poster said, with his profile, this could be embarrassing for Morgan (although his is a MY 14, albeit a second hand one).