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#226039 03/10/14 09:43 PM
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After the problems with the cam belt on my wife's M3W I checked mine today.
It looked like the picture below. There where a kind of filmcoat chips laying in the bottom of the housing. Looked like they had the form of the belt. Difficult to describe it. The pieces where a bit melted together in the lower part of the engine. For me it's 100% sure this is not like it need to be. Probably the belt is getting too hot and there is a coating on the belt which separates from the belt.
The belt looked still OK for me. Thinking about venting the housing (like MMC do on the new M3W's with a spacer between the cover and the housing) and also spray it with PFTE.
Any other suggestions ?


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Checked also the new belt on my wife's M3W which only did a few hundred kilometers after replacing !!!
Looked not as serious as mine but the same kind of chips laying in the housing.

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Laurens, can you tell how many kms have those belts on them? My car is now with 2.5k I'll probably check the belt this weekend.

And thanks for sharing the info! thumbs


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My belt has about 7000km
My wife's belt (which is on the last picture) only about 300 km !
But Mario you have the new 2014 model ?
Do you have the 4 spacer rings between the housing ?
Will be interesting if this belt is different.

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I found exactly the same kind of debris in my cover too. My May 2013 car has done around 2500 miles, say 3500kms, but like yours Laurens, the belt looked to be in good condition, so I have left it and will check it again in the next few weeks.

I did not know what to make of it either, and would be grateful if anyone can shed some light on it.


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MIne 2012 M3W has the same belt debris. I checked last week at 3950 miles.


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Mine is the 2014, it has the spacers gap, yes. Will check tomorrow and report asap.


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My S&S shop manual claim the stuff we see in the bottom of the cover is "mold release" from the belt manufacturing process.

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Originally Posted By rolsmith
My S&S shop manual claim the stuff we see in the bottom of the cover is "mold release" from the belt manufacturing process.


I think they may be tryig to pawn off belt wear on the belt process.

This debris has to come from somewhere and mold release is nothing more than a film whether it' injection molded plastic or rubber molded product. We use a lot of timing belt on our production trimmers, some are L pitch and some are Polychain like the S&S belts. NONE exhibit any type of initial wear like you show in the picture. Harley belts do not shed like this and get fuzzy on the inside, so mold release is probably not "that" debris.

I'm wondering just how close the upper center idler is to the inside of the belt just below it. "IF" the belt were to bounce around on rapid accel and decel of the rpm's, it's possible that the idler teeth are contacting a fresh belt teeth. Once it wears off the top "interferrence" part of the tooth profile, it would not wear any further. But from the pictures it's really hard to tell.

Also, what is the thickness of the spacers MMC uses?

What I was thinking is that I can buy a gasket and draw up the gasket perimeter and use our waterjet to cut a full spacer. I would then mill some "air" slots on the sides and bottom. This would keep rain or just water from washing the M3W down.

If I made it from 1/4" (around 5mm) this plate aluminium, I could easily mill 1/8" deep air vent slots around the underside of the cover "V" shape.

Does that sound like anything you guys would be interested in?

If so, I can check into how much waterjet time and material costs and put a price on them. This just a thought.

If the '14s have them installed, I should be able to see one tomorrow at Morgan West and measure it up there; I'll let you all know.

Wish me luck tomorrow...

Have a great weekend dudes and dudettes!


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I have just PM'd you Dan

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