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What I actually ment was to do a list ( completed by our 3W pilots  ) as a tool that we can consult be planing a trip what we need to take with us to avoid troubble with authoities in the different countrys... Don't worry my friend, we can precis once all the discussion has died down.. Patience, patience.. 
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How about contacting the dealers in each country to get their take on the local regs?
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The EU in its 'wisdom' has declared a full bike licence needed to drive this 'car'. This came in with implementation of the third European driving licence directive.
My understanding is this was grandfathered everywhere, so if you had a valid licence to drive one before the implementation, you should have one now (19th January 2013).
In the UK, one should get group A with note 79 added when one renews a full car licence with a test date pre 19/1/2013. And this should satisfy any other country in Europe.
Additionally, the UK adopted the derogation that allows anyone over 21 with a valid car licence, to drive a trike but this is not exportable and won't even cover one on a trip to France (say) from the UK. I think it's the EEA (European Economic Area; EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway), i.e. the European driving license covers a couple of more countries. Other than that I agree with you.  Then it's a different matter that for historic reasons the three wheelers are seen as different vehicles in different countries, and in some they can't decide, it seems, at least with the helmet, as in the USA (or they change it quite a bit, to become one vehicle, such as in Australia, I think); and also that we see different demands in other areas, equipment, safety vests etc. The latter is perhaps the important one, together with the helmet. Surely, with the all new driving license, if you are allowed to drive it, it shouldn't matter where within the EEA (apart from perhaps some differences for some classes, such as age), one would think? But yes, they did a change in January 2013; for example, a Swedish "B" (car license) from before that date covers all trikes from the age of 18; now it's from the age of 21 if more than 15 kW, and then only in Sweden. It is possible all these changes make it easier on an aggregated European level, but it was far easier some decades ago on the national level. A good question, I think similar has been asked for specific countries, but then for trads. And I interpreted it as equipment etc. (even though the topic is "Helmet regulations ..."  ) Here is one page that might answer some questions about driving abroad (Check for example "seat belts", "safety helmet" and "other specific rules"). http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/going_abroad/index_en.htm
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Dan, I believe Missouri's mandatory helmet law only applies to people under 21 years of age. You should look into HB 555 (2013) and SB 202 (2009), both of which should have provided an age exception for helmets.
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I think it's the EEA (European Economic Area; EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway), i.e. the European driving license covers a couple of more countries. Other than that I agree with you. snip Surely, with the all new driving license, if you are allowed to drive it, it shouldn't matter where within the EEA (apart from perhaps some differences for some classes, such as age), one would think? But yes, they did a change in January 2013; for example, a Swedish "B" (car license) from before that date covers all trikes from the age of 18; now it's from the age of 21 if more than 15 kW, and then only in Sweden. It is possible all these changes make it easier on an aggregated European level, but it was far easier some decades ago on the national level. As I understand it, the UK was compelled put this EU directive into law, same as any other EU country. There is nothing to stop a wider area doing the same, but that is their decision as far as I know. As I understand it the derogation only exists because of Sweden, if they'd not held out for it, it wouldn't exist. I should state my background on this issue. Until I tripped over the directive in August 2012, no-one in the UK had realised the implications. The MTWC was unaware, and initially the FBHVC responded to the effect it was a worry about nothing. Thankfully others in the MTWC saw the truth, but by then, the directive was a done deal.
The FBHVC now claim some credit here, but I'm seriously underimpressed by both their truthfulness and accuracy.
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Despite some information to the contrary Italy requires a helmet in any 3 wheeler that does not have a roof or a safety cage. The roll bars of the M3W are not, repeat not, homologated as a safety cage so a helmet is required, even for visitors, in Italy.
Seatbelts if fitted must be used. For Italy it would have been possible to be homologated without seatbelts but since it was homologated with seatbelts they must be used.
This information comes from the official importer, Borghi.
To summarise:
Both seatbelts and helmets are obligatory in Italy. To not use them risks a fine and the possibility of having the M3W impounded.
PS. Don't complain! That is the law and that is the way it is. Be safe not sorry.
Last edited by Gambalunga; 03/07/15 06:24 AM. Reason: PS
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Dear Peter... i'm italian and i have a 3W We did this conversation several times in the past and...according to Motorizzazione civile and Polizia stradale the italian situation is very particular. The only similar vehicle is the Ape and the driver doesn't need to use the helmet because it doesn't have a open body but... it doesn't have any other crash structure homologated as a safety cage so...is the 3w an open body ? Yes ...so use the helmet but...safety belts..another particular situation here you said.. it is homologated with safety belts so you have to use it....no... they told me ...art 172 cds it about : L6E, M1, N1, N2, N3 vehicle category The 3W is homologated as L5E so ...the 172 art does not apply in this case If you know which italian law made mandatory using the seat belts please tell me the number because you are right ...be safe not sorry but i want to respect the rule in anyway. Thank you for your aid and sorry for my english Happy Morganing
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What I actually ment was to do a list ( completed by our 3W pilots ) as a tool that we can consult be planing a trip what we need to take with us to avoid troubble with authoities in the different countrys... Don't worry my friend, we can precis once all the discussion has died down.. Patience, patience.. Then patience I will be 
Last edited by Smaug; 03/07/15 03:38 PM.
Cheers,
Georges
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In France
No helmets require
Motorcycles licences
Car licences with exp�rience two wheelers ( six months insurance during the five years before)
Or little stage three wheelers. I just noticed that France has some requirement for reflectors on helmets... even if wearing on a 3 wheeler? Even if no helmet required?
M3W5sp 2015, MSCC, MTWC, Oxon UK
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Portugal:
- no helmet
- seatbelt mandatory
license required:
- Bike license at least 2 years old
- Car license and 21 years
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