Wales
by Joske Vermeule, September 1
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums39
Topics49,868
Posts837,640
Members9,596
| |
Most Online1,063 Jun 14th, 2026
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,575 Likes: 55
Talk Morgan Enthusiast
|
Talk Morgan Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,575 Likes: 55 |
In Luton (the axis of Jihad) town centre is a square called St George's Square. It's still called that. Every year we have Christmas lights in the town - still called Christmas lights. We also have Eid celerations. And Diwali for the Hindu population. And Easter and Lent. There is room and nobody is offended. I can't speak for the authorities at Munich Airport but if anybody complained about the term "Christmas", on whatever grounds, I think that perhaps they should have been sent a polite letter. By the way, Muslims do tend to understand that there are other religions, with whom they often share a common ancestory or theme (even though they may disagree on some details)
Morgan Plus 4 Royal Enfield Classic 350 Brompton M6L Giant TCX Advanced
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,480 Likes: 42
Talk Morgan Addict
|
Talk Morgan Addict
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,480 Likes: 42 |
I do remember a quote from,I think, an Australian politician it went something like this
" you are welcome in our country, but do remember it is our country - if you do not wish to follow our customs and laws, we have one particular freedom and that is you can leave"
Consequently I think ALL immigrants irrespective of origin should have a period to integrate with the customs and practices of the country they wish to live in - if at the end of that period they cannot demonstrate that they have learned the language properly and integrated, then they should have to leave.
If one goes to, say, Saudi Arabia for instance, you have to conform to their way of life, why should we be any different!
Robbie 2021 Plus Four -- Helga 211-WX-1433
"Fettlebodge"--A chief of the PaddyMogs
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 8,015 Likes: 1
Posting Desperado Talk Morgan Guru
|
Posting Desperado Talk Morgan Guru
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 8,015 Likes: 1 |
Put me on your list to . Upset a few because I refused to let them preach ( DICTATE ) to me and told them "I don't believe in fairy tales. A late uncle said " I would burn in hell ". I told him its not the 10th century. [quote=Digimap]
I am an atheist, I have no religious beliefs whatsoever. But I believe in freedom, and that must mean freedom to follow a religion if that is what is wanted. Muslims have as much right to that freedom as christians and jews, hindus and atheists.
At last we have something in common. I'm an atheist and I believe in freedom too. However I don't understand the point you're making. Muslims have as much freedom as any other religion, particularly in the UK and Europe. In fact I would go further and say that Islam is afforded more respect than any other religion in Europe as we have become afraid of being critical and giving offence. Islam in the UK and Europe demands, and gets, exemption from criticism that isn't afforded to other religions Worldwide it is Christians that are the subject of the most religious persecution. Unsurprisingly this takes place mainly in Muslim countries and is rather more than a bit of name calling.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,013 Likes: 32
Charter Member
|
Charter Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,013 Likes: 32 |
I suspect that part of the issue is that the Koran covers every part of life and has never been re-written (unlike the bible). It instructs followers what to eat, wear, how to wash and many other things. To those who follow it literally, it is intolerant of non-muslims - there are over 100 verses calling for war with non-believers and instructions about the agonies they should suffer.
Is it an issue to have devout followers in our midst? I am not convinced that liberal values and religious fanaticism mix easily.
+8 4.8
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,575 Likes: 55
Talk Morgan Enthusiast
|
Talk Morgan Enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,575 Likes: 55 |
I do remember a quote from,I think, an Australian politician it went something like this
" you are welcome in our country, but do remember it is our country - if you do not wish to follow our customs and laws, we have one particular freedom and that is you can leave"
Was that an Aboriginal politician then? Not being politically correct - just factually correct.
Morgan Plus 4 Royal Enfield Classic 350 Brompton M6L Giant TCX Advanced
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,515 Likes: 1
Talk Morgan Expert
|
Talk Morgan Expert
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,515 Likes: 1 |
So what are the solutions, then..? I'll tell you one thing that we can all do. Talk to Muslims. Just about normal things - a simple 'good morning' will do for a start. Living in a town the press often consider an axis of jihad I come into contact with Muslims on a daily basis and from chats I have they do feel very much under threat and that white people fear, ignore and avoid them. I couldn't agree more. I recently spent 10 days in Morocco touring round on my own. People there were so wonderful and friendly. I learnt so many things about their lives, religion, and attitudes that I had no idea about.
1972 4/4 2 Seater
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,260 Likes: 319
Scruffy Oik Member of the Inner Circle
|
Scruffy Oik Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,260 Likes: 319 |
Those who say that terrorism is nothing to do with Islam are ill-advised.
It may be false to say that terrorism of the kind perpetrated by Daesh has nothing to do with Islam. But it is illogical and irrational to therefore imply, as so many are doing, that Islam breeds terrorism. The number of Fundamentalist terrorists as a proportion of the entire Muslim population is no greater than the proportion of Far-right terrorists in the White Western population. In fact, since 9/11 more people in the USA have been killed by Far-right terrorists than by Islamic terrorists. Far-right terrorism originates in the politics and culture of white christianity. Does this mean that white christianity breeds terrorism? Of course not.
Tim H. 1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 2022 Mini Cooper SE
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 3
Charter Member
|
Charter Member
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 5,017 Likes: 3 |
Those who say that terrorism is nothing to do with Islam are ill-advised.
In fact, since 9/11 more people in the USA have been killed by Far-right terrorists than by Islamic terrorists. When you look at the whole picture, not only US (where moslems are a minority) the numbers are different.
Hannes once: Green M3W; 2013 now: Red 4/4 Sport; 2011 and some practical cars for use in real life
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,260 Likes: 319
Scruffy Oik Member of the Inner Circle
|
Scruffy Oik Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,260 Likes: 319 |
I agree with you on this.
Unfortunately what we are facing is not just a religious divide but a cultural divide that is being driven only in part by the extremists. Oh, absolutely, don't get me wrong. I consider Islam to be (like all religions) to be a primitive superstition that divides people culturally from the rest of society. It is primitive, medieval, anti-liberal, and the way it treats women is appalling. But the fact remains that despite all this it is absolutely core to the way of life for billions of people, the overwhelming majority of which have absolutely no interest in slaughtering those of us who don't believe, or even of converting us to their way. They just want to get on with their lives, just like us. I believe in the power of education and learning, it is this that will gradually bring Muslims into the 21st century, and it won't be achieved if we do what the terrorists want and set Muslims against non-Muslims in some kind of holy war.
Tim H. 1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 2022 Mini Cooper SE
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,260 Likes: 319
Scruffy Oik Member of the Inner Circle
|
Scruffy Oik Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,260 Likes: 319 |
When you see the whole picture, not only US (where moslems are a minority) the numbers are different.
Oh, absolutely. World-wide, by far the largest group of victims of fundamentalist terrorism are Muslims, they suffer far worse than we do and have been doing for many years. How can the victims of terrorism be blamed for the actions of the perpetrators? It's also worth noting that in terms of the numbers of attacks, in Europe by biggest source of attacks since 2006 has come from Separatists and Ethic Nationalists rather than from religious extremists.
Tim H. 1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 2022 Mini Cooper SE
|
|
|
|
|