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teifistar #351789 30/03/16 05:10 PM
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Tata Steel's current headline statement! A certain irony. ooo


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Originally Posted By sospan
Get out of EU so we can make our own decisions about our own people. The EU is too cumbersome and full of self centred countries leeching off others.

doh now I understand the problems


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Originally Posted By Budster
Tata Steel's current headline statement! A certain irony. ooo


I think that that is a bit unreasonable towards Tata. Our energy costs are the highest in Europe because of carbon taxes that ars used to subsidize renewables who import foreign materials. How rediculous to break our economy on the back of this global warming crap when our whole emmisions account for less than 2% of global emmisions. Lets get real.


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Originally Posted By rainbowj
our whole emmisions account for less than 2% of global emmisions.


As we have less than 1% of the world's population, it could be argued that we're producing at least twice as much emissions as we should be.

Take into account that our economy is very technologically advanced, and that we are a very rich nation, it seems reasonable that we should be able to leverage our ability to be more efficient than the average and produce a good deal less than 1% of global emissions.


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It would be a disaster for the local economy.

However, how long should Tata bear a £1m a day loss? They're not a charity - they are entitled to a profit.

As others have said, EU rules are making it a very uneven playing surface - this combined with substantial environmental taxation conspires to make the business unsustainable.


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Originally Posted By Peter J


When the same thing happened in France the steel works closed.
If the French Unions couldn't force the French Government to act there is zero chance of Cameron's lot doing anything.



Sorry Peter but thats just not correct. There still is a major steel industry in France. As there is in Germany and in Italy. Even in Holland. Port Talbot is the last bulk steelmaking plant in Britain. If that shuts there is nothing much left bar a few small arc plants.

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Originally Posted By Neilda
EU rules are making it a very uneven playing surface - this combined with substantial environmental taxation conspires to make the business unsustainable.


An alternative view might be to blame China for dumping steel onto world markets at unsustainable levels, undercutting even the most efficient western steel producers.



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Originally Posted By howard
There still is a major steel industry in France. As there is in Germany and in Italy. Even in Holland. Port Talbot is the last bulk steelmaking plant in Britain. If that shuts there is nothing much left bar a few small arc plants.


I find that quite interesting. The steel industries of France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands are all operating in the same economic environment as the UK. Are they also making losses at the scale of the UK plants? If so, who is bailing them out? And if not, why not?


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Originally Posted By Hamwich
Signed. If the government could rescue the banks, they can rescue the steel industry.


That's a jolly good point.


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