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When I had my triumph tss bike in 82 insurance was 600 quid a year! Bike was only 2400 so think about that 1/4 of the cost of the vehicle think of insuring a new mog at that rate!
Mark - No Longer driving Archie the Old English Sheep Mog........... 2010 Roadster 3.0 V6 (S3) 
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I think Caterham have shown how to make just such a car - the Caterham 7 160. http://uk.caterhamcars.com/cars/seven-160I think this is a really charming, basic little sports car, the price is great & I guess even the insurance shouldn't be too bad for a youngish driver as it has such a weedy little motor. I'd be interested to know how well it is selling mind you, to see if the market for this sort of thing really exists, or if people just think it "a nice idea, but I'll have a more up-specced one, thanks". ...but using it as a "tool" to up-sell to a customer who wouldn't have purchased an up-spec'd car in the first place is not a bad marketing ploy...
Richard
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Fair point Adrian,
But I could get insured at 19, now my son can't, none of the club approved insurers will insure a Morgan until a driver is 21. The cost is a pain, but the lack of availability is a barrier.
Cheers
Mike
Mike Hughes
1969 4/4 competition (ST170)
2008 +4
1962 Vitesse 6 Formosa
1959 Peerless GT2
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Just to get a broader picture:
Is Ferrari going to produce a cheap entry car?
Compared to a Morgan the Fezzas are mass production cars but they have to look for young customers too - dont they?
Hannes
once: Green M3W; 2013
now: Red 4/4 Sport; 2011
and some practical cars for use in real life
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Just to get a broader picture:
Is Ferrari going to produce a cheap entry car?
Compared to a Morgan the Fezzas are mass production cars but they have to look for young customers too - dont they? Would that be the Ferrari 1.6L 
IanB
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XK8 for sensible use.
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The 1,6L (F14T) is nice, lightweight but a compromise only. No wipers, no hood, quite noisy and for single drivers only. Reliability in the range of a M3W but better brakes. Not street legal in many countries .... Not sure about the price, but mostly F14T drivers are young fellows, none with white beards!
Hannes
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I think Caterham have shown how to make just such a car - the Caterham 7 160. http://uk.caterhamcars.com/cars/seven-160I think this is a really charming, basic little sports car, the price is great & I guess even the insurance shouldn't be too bad for a youngish driver as it has such a weedy little motor. I'd be interested to know how well it is selling mind you, to see if the market for this sort of thing really exists, or if people just think it "a nice idea, but I'll have a more up-specced one, thanks". Depending on what Morgan can get away with on existing type approval (from the recent 4/4 windscreen saga that's not immediately clear) my vision of an a cheap & simple model , the 3/4 or 4/3 would have Ford Eco boost 1.0 litre 3 cylinder engine Body tub & rear wings moulded as a piece in composite, with no door openings (step over and in, as in the M3W). Would save a huge amont of man hours. Front cycle wings instead of the expensive and beautiful superformed ones. Pressed steel wheels. No windscreen, just brooklands screens (that obviously can't happen) No hood, just a tonneau cover. Giles, you are bang on the money. I know Caterham have sold dozens of 160s and not used it as a model to get their customers to trade up, they may eventually obviously, but they are being bougtht in their own right. I love your ideas for an entry level Mog,they may be able to get the price down to £20k and may I also add another mod? a one piece bonnet with no central hinge, and obviously separate headlights with the cycle wings. This could be the basis for a more high performance stripped down car. After all, those Atoms and Nomads get rave reviews and are selling well, and you can't get more stripped down than that, but obviously that is over the top for a trad. Mog. It won't happen because they will not be able to afford to get it homologated, although it could be sold as a kit, and the owners takes it for a SVA test. Idea?
Paul
[At last, I have a car I can polish]
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If they can do ARP4s, Baby Dolls, and P4SS as a homolgated Plus4 with aftermarket modifications by Aero Racing, presumably they could adopt a similar approach with a 4/4 maybe?
Personally I'm not sure that they could strip that much cost out of it, though.
Tim H.
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the ARP4s, Baby Dolls and P4SS were all signifcantly more expensive than standard cars .. and thus makes sense as increased profit margin per car.
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the ARP4s, Baby Dolls and P4SS were all signifcantly more expensive than standard cars .. and thus makes sense as increased profit margin per car. True, but they didn't actually first build a Plus 4 and then modify it, they built them from the start as the special model. If they simply started to build a 4/4 but didn't bother to bolt anything other than that which was absolutely necessary to it, including the wings and bonnet, they might possibly get the production cost down to where it might be attractive - but as I said, I doubt it's possible, and even if they were to, I doubt there's be much of a market for it. If you were a youngster, why buy a 20k Morgan when you can buy a 15k Caterham which hasn't got the old fart image?
Tim H.
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