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No need to risk unsettling the car, just carry more corner speed. In my experience many drivers brake too much for corners and rely on hard acceleration out of the corner to compensate.

As Spanner Juggler so eloquently says, it's not about how much time you spend going fast, it's about how short a time you spend going slow

Some good stuff here:
http://www.drive7tenths.com/driving-tutorials/tutorial-heel-and-toe/

Be that as it may, high corner speed doesn't allow for any unforeseen eventuality. It may be a true epithet on the track but for road use a slower corner speed is by far the safest option and when the car is straight use as much acceleration as you wish.

The heel n toe thing is just a party trick on the road. It's not needed but it's a toy you can bring out of your driving toolbox to use as you wish. It's a fun thing, after all..! I doubt you'd pass your driving test doing it to impress, put it that way..

Hearing modern cars auto-blipping on downchanges is a sexy thing. My GS has it & I can go down the box at far higher revs on the approach to roundabouts and just bang the lever down to make me sound such a riding God..slow around the corner and hard out with clutchless upchanges to the waving crowds of adoring blondes by Tesco's..

Or not.

I just want the option to play when I'm in the Morgan.

As a riding instructor we used to teach that you should never take a corner, or the crest of a hill, at a speed faster than allows you to stop within the distance you can see.

I don't always follow my own advice but I do keep it in mind.

It's all horses for courses of course. I will always use a few revs to help the syncro when changing down on the 4/4. And even when changing up it's nice to have the revs match the gear as the clutch pedal is coming up. None of this applies in modern cars with modern gearboxes. But in a Sprite with a worn gearbox you can't even change up without a little blip in between cogs.

I learnt to drive on a 1926 Chevrolet Four and graduated to a 50's something 5 ton Bedford, via a Ferguson TE20. My best school mate and I used to practise speed changes on the Fergy and this involved no hands on the wheel while manipulating hand throttle clutch and gear lever. Fun days growing up on the farm.

And yes, never enter a blind corner on a public road without the ability to change line if necessary.

Thats undoubtedly the case on the road. Its a lesson I learned on my bike doing the IAM course and having to " make progress" as the police put it. Time and again you see sports bike riders gassing it on the straights but teetering round bends which is why they rarely if ever outrun plod on their BMW twins.

Not the case on circuit. I once did some circuit training with an ex F1 driver nd that was all about going as fast as you could down the straights, braking as hard and as late as you could entering the bend, hit the apex accelerating as hard as you could. No heel and toe because you were never slowing down under engine.

But one of the things I always enjoyed in the Lotus was driving briskly using engine braking and its very high cornering power on the local ring roads. For that its fun to be able to heel and toe.

Oh, absolutely. Getting the revs matched correctly is one of the joys of driving properly, I still double-declutch sometimes too, just to keep in practice, but no need to brake whilst doing so.



Definitely - and like Peter says, you always need to be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear.

'Organ Pedal' works well for me in my ARP4