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... Very fair comment Brian it does seem that the quality of the product has improved but the niggles remain, I guess it is the trade off for the uniqueness of a hand built car. Trade off is a hand built car built *to a low price*. Morgan can’t afford to be a Bugatti in terms of quality or customer service. The question is can they also afford NOT to be (seen as a) a quality manufacturer, or up the game on customer service? They are already hitting regulatory costs on the M3W, minimal wait list for the Trads. I hope they can weather the storm. Perhaps their recent price hikes are to pay for more customer care and attention?
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Is it because they are hand built? Or is it inherent mechanical design and development? My money is completely on the latter and I can list a lot of examples to support it.
Obviously Morgan don't have the budget of an OEM. Customers are willing to put up with a lot due to brand, heritage and uniqueness, but certainly there is an expectation of 'reasonable' reliability which is still a given.
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Ah, ok. Hair splitting time, then. I took transmission on the American side as meaning gearbox. I did mention seized bevel box, but what the heck.
You've got the reply now, Dan..! I really should have said "drivetrain"
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Good point - hand designed maybe  Consider that Dyson has hundreds of people designing vacuum cleaners and hand driers, and associated production engineering, for example. Versus a handful at Morgan? My M3W has been reliable, and fun. But requires an open mind to potential costs. For example last weekend I discovered: - rubber mount covers for the oil tank had partly slipped off (potentially leading to metal-to-metal wear of the oil tank - not something you want to leak long-term) - so I undid the nuts for the oil tank straps so I could reseat the rubber mount covers. one of the captive bolts stripped. oops - something to be drilled out and replaced! - really I dont want an oil tank resting on 2 ridges of metal (a design issue - what were they thinking?) - I want to add some metal straps lengthwise to spread the load from the ridges, as the rubber interfaces are bound to wear and/or fall off again - meanwhile the oil feed from the tank dips under the tank mount and was fraying nicely (a design issue - metal-to-hose contact point not a good idea). added some tape to prevent it cutting in further... . other fray points looked to have had foam added so maybe this was missed in production or fell off ...
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Ah, ok. Hair splitting time, then. I took transmission on the American side as meaning gearbox. I did mention seized bevel box, but what the heck.
You've got the reply now, Dan..! I really should have said "drivetrain" There we go again, two countries separated by a common language. After being on here several years, I should have said gearbox instead of transmission. At work I'm now typing aluminium rather than aluminum, just to screw with people.  And as far as I can remember, there was only one gearbox issue and that was a rear tailshaft seal. At least posted on the forum.
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... Very fair comment Brian it does seem that the quality of the product has improved but the niggles remain, I guess it is the trade off for the uniqueness of a hand built car. Trade off is a hand built car built *to a low price*. Morgan can’t afford to be a Bugatti in terms of quality or customer service. The question is can they also afford NOT to be (seen as a) a quality manufacturer, or up the game on customer service? They are already hitting regulatory costs on the M3W, minimal wait list for the Trads. I hope they can weather the storm. Perhaps their recent price hikes are to pay for more customer care and attention? All I can say is they seem to be surviving the problems surrounding the M3W builds, but what I really hope is that they have learnt many lessons from the experience prior to launching another new product. Rather optimistically I am hoping this to be the case with the EV3 battery hold up.
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At work I'm now typing aluminium rather than aluminum
There’s hope for you yet Dan 
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At work I'm now typing aluminium rather than aluminum
There’s hope for you yet Dan Too bad, Dan. Aluminum is the one thing you guys get right! 
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At work I'm now typing aluminium rather than aluminum
There’s hope for you yet Dan Too bad, Dan. Aluminum is the one thing you guys get right! One thing?
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The word is of course....eh.."word". Yes, word not thing. What was I thinging
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